Fallout 3 discussion

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

sinister agent wrote:

It doesn't have to be a forest, but there should be lots of pioneer type scraggy bushes and grasses at least.

That there are, see. Just no trees (that I've found so far).

I had a nagging feeling of familiarity as I was wandering round the grey, desolate landscape, with its smattering of dilapidated residences and its unfriendly, cannibalistic residents.

Then I realised - this must be what it's like to live in Birmingham.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:33

Mr Chris wrote:

sinister agent wrote:

It doesn't have to be a forest, but there should be lots of pioneer type scraggy bushes and grasses at least.

That there are, see. Just no trees (that I've found so far).

I had a nagging feeling of familiarity as I was wandering round the grey, desolate landscape, with its smattering of dilapidated residences and its unfriendly, cannibalistic residents.

Then I realised - this must be what it's like to live in Birmingham.

*chortle*

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Mr Chris wrote:

sinister agent wrote:

It doesn't have to be a forest, but there should be lots of pioneer type scraggy bushes and grasses at least.

That there are, see. Just no trees (that I've found so far).

There are lots of leaf-stripped trees.

Quote:

I had a nagging feeling of familiarity as I was wandering round the grey, desolate landscape, with its smattering of dilapidated residences and its unfriendly, cannibalistic residents.

Then I realised - this must be what it's like to live in Birmingham.

Add in the terrifying mutants shooting at you, and you're about right.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Craster wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

sinister agent wrote:

It doesn't have to be a forest, but there should be lots of pioneer type scraggy bushes and grasses at least.

That there are, see. Just no trees (that I've found so far).

There are lots of leaf-stripped trees.

I meant live ones, obviously.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:44

Time for a thread title change or a new 'ZOMG I gotz it now!' thread?

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16639

I might get this at dinner. I have absolutely hammered Far Cry 2 (about 40 hours in little over a week) so I'll probably trade it in and leave it leaving me wanting more.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

I am getting Fallout withdrawal pangs this morning.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:55

I'm still planning on waiting for this (Cwissy Pwessy list it). If I get through Dead Space AND Oblivion before the end of Nov I may crumble though.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Penny Arcade linked to some guy's short piece on beginning Fallout 3. He reminded me of something that I found very poignant; the beat up announcement sign outside the school in Springvale, with some words still legible from before the war; there was to be a day off school on that coming Friday.

Also, the town of Minefield, where the broken down houses contain skeletal remains, including one couple clutching each other in bed as they died.

Anyone not loving this must be broken. There, I said it.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Penny Arcade linked to some guy's short piece on beginning Fallout 3. He reminded me of something that I found very poignant; the beat up announcement sign outside the school in Springvale, with some words still legible from before the war; there was to be a day off school on that coming Friday.

Also, the town of Minefield, where the broken down houses contain skeletal remains, including one couple clutching each other in bed as they died.

Anyone not loving this must be broken. There, I said it.

All of

. And yet despite these little touches, I don't find it as unremittingly bleak as the Stalker games.

Those of you that took on Mr. Burke's mission...

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

...to detonate the atom bomb in Megaton - did you try going back to Megaton to survey the damage? If you do, the entire place is englufled in a cloud of dust and if you look around you can find not only the scattered remains of the robot sentry that normally stands outside the gate to Megaton, but also Moira from Craterside Supply, who's now become a ghoul. I may just be a big girl's blouse, but I couldn't help but feel a little bit upset over that.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

I hate Moira, the chirpy little sadist.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Craster wrote:

I hate Moira, the chirpy little sadist.

Haha, yeah. I'm still doing stuff for her though.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Craster wrote:

I hate Moira, the chirpy little sadist.

Is she the one that runs the shop in Megaton?

andyb · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 489

Craster wrote:

I hate Moira, the chirpy little sadist.

Am I alone in thinking she sounds like a bad Sarah Palin impression?

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Mr Chris wrote:

Craster wrote:

I hate Moira, the chirpy little sadist.

Is she the one that runs the shop in Megaton?

Yeah, who's trying to get you irratiated/exploded/dead.

devilman · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:15

MetalAngel wrote:

Further play (just over 7 hours now) and it's finally hitting its stride. I suppose all Fallout games have to have a slightly pants, off-puttingly rubbish beginning (FO1 with the cave, Vault 15 and Shady Sands, FO2 with the godawful temple, tribal village and Klamath Falls) that you have to grit your teeth through to get to the good bits.

Ah, that's a relief. I picked up Fallout 2 from that GOG site and wondered what all the fuss was about (it's my first Fallout game) but it sounds like I just need to play past the temple bit.

From the rest of this thread, I can't decide whether or not to pick Fallout 3 up - I've barely touched Oblivion as it is.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

Craster wrote:

I hate Moira, the chirpy little sadist.

Is she the one that runs the shop in Megaton?

Yeah, who's trying to get you irratiated/exploded/dead.

ZOMG SPOILERS

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

devilman wrote:

From the rest of this thread, I can't decide whether or not to pick Fallout 3 up - I've barely touched Oblivion as it is.

It's a strange beast this game, as on the one hand it really is just a re-skin of Oblivion, it's very clearly the same engine running the game. But on the other hand, it's very different. The combat, for instance, is simply miles better than Oblivion's and I find the whole atmosphere far more compelling. You genuinely feel like there is something to be gained from exploration in this too.

Dimrill · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:26

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Craster wrote:

I hate Moira, the chirpy little sadist.

Haha, yeah. I'm still doing stuff for her though.

I finished off her quests last night. The quests themselves aren't that tough, it's the travelling to get to them that's the problem.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:27

OK I can't read anymore of this thread you spoiling twats.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Zardoz wrote:

OK I can't read anymore of this thread you spoiling twats.

Buy the game then, loser. The above really, really isn't a spoiler, anyway.

Dimrill · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:29

Re zio: Indeed. I'm actually ducking and diving between rock outcroppings when out in The Wastes, scouting the environment for movement before dashing to another hidey place. Not that it makes much appreciable difference with a low sneak skill, but it keeps me amused.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:30

It doesn't matter how much I read in here - by the time I get round to getting the game I'll have forgotten it all again.

Dimrill · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:32

Also I advise taking Mr Cheeba's hint and getting that repeater pistol from the Museum of History. It's frickin' lethal.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:47

Craster wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

OK I can't read anymore of this thread you spoiling twats.

Buy the game then, loser. The above really, really isn't a spoiler, anyway.

Duh! I'm not reading the thread, so how can I take this advice?

Dimrill · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 13:06

Brief whinge: Why do enemies not show any signs of being crippled when it gives me that message? I'd expect at least some Stephen Hawkings once I cripple their heads, or even just a slight limp if I knack their legs.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 13:08

I'd offer an explanation but I'm not reading this thread.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Dimrill wrote:

Brief whinge: Why do enemies not show any signs of being crippled when it gives me that message? I'd expect at least some Stephen Hawkings once I cripple their heads, or even just a slight limp if I knack their legs.

It is annoying - there doesn't appear to be any definite effect to 'crippling' a body part at all. When I've crippled someone's head, I would expect them to have issues shooting me, to be honest - which doesn't seem to be the case.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 13:14

I'd be angry if I'd read that statement.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Shooting grenades while people are holding them, on the other hand, is awesomeness.

metalangel · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 13:32

Craster wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

Then I realised - this must be what it's like to live in Birmingham.

Add in the terrifying mutants shooting at you, and you're about right.

Oh, you guys, making the same joke I did about three pages ago.

andyb wrote:

Am I alone in thinking she sounds like a bad Sarah Palin impression?

Yep. Moira is meant to sound Minnesotan.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16639

I now own a copy of Fallout 3, having traded in Far Cry 2. Now I just need to find hundreds of hours to play it.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 13:55

I bet you get 10 hours in then ditch it like you did Pixie Quest.

metalangel · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 13:56

Craster wrote:

It is annoying - there doesn't appear to be any definite effect to 'crippling' a body part at all. When I've crippled someone's head, I would expect them to have issues shooting me, to be honest - which doesn't seem to be the case.

In theory, it affects their stats that you can't see. Reduced accuracy/movement speed/etc. I suppose we should be glad that unconsciousness has been removed, as watching helplessly as you were knocked out and then ravaged by your foes wasn't nice.

But then, given Oblivion couldn't seem to properly treat having three arrows sticking out of your face, are we really surprised here?

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

Dimrill wrote:

Brief whinge: Why do enemies not show any signs of being crippled when it gives me that message? I'd expect at least some Stephen Hawkings once I cripple their heads, or even just a slight limp if I knack their legs.

If you cripple the legs, they do tend to limp a bit, but it doesn't make the sort of difference you'd expect.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 13:57

markg wrote:

I now own a copy of Fallout 3, having traded in Far Cry 2. Now I just need to find hundreds of hours to play it.

I thought you were loving FC2?

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16639

Zardoz wrote:

I bet you get 10 hours in then ditch it like you did Pixie Quest.

That's a possibility, although I never got fed up of Pixie Quest I just got distracted. Anyway this has guns and no pixies and so is better.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 13:58

Can you take their clothes off though?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

MetalAngel wrote:

But then, given Oblivion couldn't seem to properly treat having three arrows sticking out of your face, are we really surprised here?

Yeah, but I'm using Fallout 1+2 as the yardsticks, not Oblivion. I just fondly remember the really gruesome critical hit descriptions, which seem to have entirely been replaced by 'head falls off'.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16639

myoptika wrote:

markg wrote:

I now own a copy of Fallout 3, having traded in Far Cry 2. Now I just need to find hundreds of hours to play it.

I thought you were loving FC2?

I was, it is an excellent game. I put 40 hours into it last week which, by my standards, is a lot for any one game, I just thought I'd seen pretty much most of what it had to offer.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 14:08

You got stuck.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Zio wrote:

Dimrill wrote:

Brief whinge: Why do enemies not show any signs of being crippled when it gives me that message? I'd expect at least some Stephen Hawkings once I cripple their heads, or even just a slight limp if I knack their legs.

If you cripple the legs, they do tend to limp a bit, but it doesn't make the sort of difference you'd expect.

They definitely limp. They seem to get another weapon out if you shoot their normal one out of their hands, which is annoying.

I did get one raider with one sliver of health left cowering in a corner and snivelling "please let me live" though. The game needs an option to hold your pistol sideways for gangland executions when that happens. I am nearly level 7 now, how is everyone else doing? Has everyone figured out that sleeping in your own bed gets you +10% XP?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

They seem to get another weapon out if you shoot their normal one out of their hands, which is annoying.

Only if they have one. I shot a missile laucher out of a Supermutant's hands, and he ran over to his dead mate, grabbed his hunting rifle off the ground, then started shooting at me. I nearly died I was so amazed.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Craster wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

They seem to get another weapon out if you shoot their normal one out of their hands, which is annoying.

Only if they have one. I shot a missile laucher out of a Supermutant's hands, and he ran over to his dead mate, grabbed his hunting rifle off the ground, then started shooting at me. I nearly died I was so amazed.

Oh well that is awesome!

I haven't planted a grenade on anyone yet, but I did some pickpocketing: (spoiler related to Blood Ties)

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

Vance the head vampire dude has a key to a closet in his chambers with a unique sword, Vampire's Edge. It does base damage of 9 but I miss my Louisville Slugger. He also had a safe and computer I couldn't pick or hack.

The Egg · **Joined:** 16th Aug, 2008 **Posts:** 412

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Has everyone figured out that sleeping in your own bed gets you +10% XP?

Err.. own bed? Where and how do I get this? Is it part of the Megaton quests?

Dimrill · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 14:23

I'm level 12. I'm gonna go get that sword now

After I've finished off picking through the rubble of Fort Bannister.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

The Egg wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Has everyone figured out that sleeping in your own bed gets you +10% XP?

Err.. own bed? Where and how do I get this? Is it part of the Megaton quests?

Yes.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

Defusing the bomb gets you a house in Megaton.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Craster wrote:

The Egg wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Has everyone figured out that sleeping in your own bed gets you +10% XP?

Err.. own bed? Where and how do I get this? Is it part of the Megaton quests?

Yes.

It also works for any bed you rent, e.g. the one in the bar in Megaton. I'm sure you can get other houses elsewhere too, as:

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Exploding the Megaton bomb gets you an apartment in Tenpenny Tower. And a Very Evil alignment

The Egg · **Joined:** 16th Aug, 2008 **Posts:** 412

Quote:

Then I know where I'm sleeping tonight (just need to finish the quest first!)

What's happening I didn't write this; yet it's showing as my post?

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You need Explosives 25 to interact with the bomb, mind. I think a dose of Mentats will help you out.

Is anyone else considering the level cap? I'm not going to be able to get even half the skills I would like to high levels. I could really see me replaying this as a talker character... and a dumb brawler... and an evil character... I'd love to see how some of the quests play out if the 10-25% speech chances that keep coming up actually succeed.

Also, has anyone tried a character with Int of 1? Didn't that make it impossible to talk in Fallout 2?

myp · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2008 14:29

I'm ducking out of this thread now, as it's making me want the game.

Well, I want it anyway, but more so.

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