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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 22:19 
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The ending was nonsense, and the
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made absolutely no sense at all.

seriously, none. ?:|

However, I enjoyed it, and it was easy to watch.

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I enjoyed it right up until Jim Moriaty came from Royston Vasey. I realise they were trying to make him seem mental but did he have talk quite like that? Yes I know who wrote it but still.

Good fun though and worth another series for sure.

Agree on the painting. They might as well have said 'look a doohicky'.

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The last episode was better than episode 2 but still didn't quite feel right. Fetch it back, reduce the running time by half. Make it better.



Considering you have not read or watch any other Holmes, how does it not feel right?

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Really enjoyed the last episode. Thought Moriarty was awesome.

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I agree with this completely. Loved Moriarty.

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No, he was too much like Graham Norton, entirely the wrong type of diabolical.


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I liked it. He has to have a different personality from Sherlock, and was flamboyant where Holmes is reserved.

Also, I thought he conveyed well the juxtaposition of his similarities and differences viz Sherlock, specifically around the way they each deal with boredom, and how their jobs work.

I thought the painting made sense (though was a bit lame). The ending, however, did not.

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Yeah, the painting made sense, whoever painted it included a "star" that was not visible at the time the painting was supposed to have been painted. The Security guard was a keen amateur astronomer, and thought something was odd, so went to check with the lady astronomer at the planetarium (or where ever it was that Gollem killed her). Who confirmed it. He was killed, she was killed, leaving more than enough information to work it out.


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Apart from the painting was painted 400 years before the forgery, therefore the entire night sky would be considerably different.


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Apart from the painting was painted 400 years before the forgery, therefore the entire night sky would be considerably different.


Would it be THAT different?

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We still have the same constellations as 3000 years ago, sure the north pole is wobbling a bit as it spins, so things might be in a slightly different place (different pole star, some southern stars visible now, wouldn't be visible then and vice versa) but on the whole it's about the same.


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Yeah.

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The forger painted the painting with the same stars in the sky as would have been around then, but chucked in one extra big one that wasn't there at the time.


That made sense to me.

However, the ending...

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Why in the blue blazes would Moriarty come back, change his mind, stand next to the bomb, and allow Holmes to aim a gun at both him and the bomb. Now THAT makes no sense (unless he's got a devilishly cunning plan that we won't find out until the next series)

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 Post subject: Re: Sherlock
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I wanted to like the latest one. Individual scenes were great, the dialogue was fun, and Holmes was as arrogant as ever, yet the story bored me senseless. I just stopped caring about what was going on, and it dragged. Disappointed, but will keep watching.


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 Post subject: Re: Sherlock
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I haven't seen it yet, but isn't the story taken from a proper sherlock holmes short story?


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Probably. I need to read more!


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Yes, it was. I read all of the Sherlock Holmes based Doyle stories (shorts and novels) last year, and it was a reworking of one of those.

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Kern, if you have a Kindle I would wholeheartedly recommend one of the Complete Sherlock Holmes collections on Amazon. All of the Holmes short story collections and full length stories for (if memory serves) around 71p. I'll look up the exact collection when I'm next in internetland if anyone is interested.

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I liked it.

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Me too. Plenty of twists in the plot and humour too.


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Kern, if you have a Kindle I would wholeheartedly recommend one of the Complete Sherlock Holmes collections on Amazon. All of the Holmes short story collections and full length stories for (if memory serves) around 71p. I'll look up the exact collection when I'm next in internetland if anyone is interested.


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One of the first things I bought for it!


Brilliant work, sir!

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even the ending? Was the ending in the book? Because that was pointless and rubbish. Liked the rest of it though.

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even the ending? Was the ending in the book? Because that was pointless and rubbish. Liked the rest of it though.



It was just to show how Awesome Holmes was..

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That was superb stuff, and I seriously doubt there will be much better than that on TV all year.

I think people need to stop looking for these to be exactly the same stories as the books, because while they're keeping the spirit of the original stories, they're also having fun messing around with the titles and references. It all works brilliantly.

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Wondering what's with Lara Pulver though: every single utterance was followed by a big exhale (just like in Spooks). She's like a subtler female version of Mark E Smith.


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 Post subject: Re: Sherlock
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Yeah, the very end was stupid.

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Stupid, perhaps, but I think it was intended to show the fate of one of the characters to set up for future episodes.

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Watched it last night. Thoroughly enjoyed every second :)


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I very much doubt that anything on TV or in film in 2012 is going to beat the brilliant pun

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"Mycroft could just call me if he didn't have this ridiculous power complex". Next scene, the car pulls into Battersea Power station. :DD


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I very much doubt that anything on TV or in film in 2012 is going to beat the brilliant pun

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"Mycroft could just call me if he didn't have this ridiculous power complex". Next scene, the car pulls into Battersea Power station. :DD

Didn't even spot that one :S

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Ha! I didn't either! Wow, it's like Jonathan Nash was co-scripting or something.

I really enjoyed that episode, apart from the very end bit, which turned a bittersweet episode into something faintly irritating. So I am purging that minute from my memory and basking in the glow of an awesome episode.

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 Post subject: Re: Sherlock
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Am I the only one that liked the ending?

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If you're talking about the bit where
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He fucked off to another country without anyone noticing because he knew The Woman was in trouble, located The Woman, infiltrated a terrorist cell, disguised himself as the executioner by wearing a robe, presumably killed a load of people, then somehow fooled MI6 (or whoever was watching The Woman) into thinking she was dead?

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That is the one...

But he is awesome, like at the power station when The Woman text him.


Have you seen the 'fake' bbc websites for the series yet?

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But he is awesome, like at the power station when The Woman text him.

Well yes, but he just followed Watson (small spoilers there, I guess).

He's awesome enough, but that was a bit silly.

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Jesus christ.

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I thought it was pretty tedious. Both for the plot (genuinely forgotten what it was now) and that gimmick with the text boxes which just seems terribly dated.

Liked The Woman character, but Holmes himself.. Meh, he's not interesting, nor sympathetic, nor does he come across as brilliant. The magical deductions fall completely flat when he's reading it out.

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Well I'm looking forward to the next one. :)

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I thought it was pretty tedious. Both for the plot (genuinely forgotten what it was now) and that gimmick with the text boxes which just seems terribly dated.

Liked The Woman character, but Holmes himself.. Meh, he's not interesting, nor sympathetic, nor does he come across as brilliant. The magical deductions fall completely flat when he's reading it out.

House MD does Updated Sherlock better. All IMO.


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Stupid, perhaps, but I think it was intended to show the fate of one of the characters to set up for future episodes.

Going off the last series, this must be the case.


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Maybe ;)

But this is typical 'with one bound he was free' territory, and typical Moffat writing. This sort of thing does irritate me, but not enough to spoil my enjoyment of what is just escapist entertainment.


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Didn't Sherlock do that in the books...

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Yes, often. He'd turn up in a preposterous disguise and the rescue (etc) would be immediate and swiftly covered in a few words, no detail needed - you only need believe that he was all round amazing. He didn't care for his obvious talents of derring do, and Watson concentrates his writings only on the deductions.

I think the series does quite well at a modern day Sherlock. This man is probably more alien than Doyle's hero, but how else do you portray a man so intelligent and amazing yet clueless about something as fundamental as women? I think that's why the writers thought they needed to sex up the Irene Adler character. In Doyle's time it was enough to suggest that she might be in equal terms with Sherlock to make her a shocking character. A string female character was shocking enough to Holmes. That's not enough to anyone living in modern times so he needs more of a reason not to 'get' the way she operates. She's his greatest adversary in many ways. The one person he'll never understand.

Anyway, this is a bit O/T but I'd recommend reading 'Arthur and George', a novel based on true events, centred around the life and accused crimes and trial of George Edalgi, and the life of Arthur Conan Doyle, and the circumstances that bring the two men together. Also available as a very well read audiobook.

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Went to see the new film last night too, and honestly thought that whilst it was good, it wasn't a patch on this TV series.


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I enjoyed them for different reasons.

I am tempted to get the box set of the Jeremy Brent Sherlock for my birthday. Already bought Sharpe as Tesco had it for £20.

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I enjoyed them for different reasons.


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Doctor Who would make a far better Sherlock Holmes.


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I mean the RDJ films, the New Holmes and the Old JB Series.


Dr Who was based on Holmes wasn't he?

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