Thought I would create a post about it.
Just come out. That was fantastic. 9/10
Just come out. That was fantastic. 9/10
You have spoiled it for me.
Satsuma wrote:
You have spoiled it for me.
Good
Kovacs uncritically liking a Star Wars film is not a spoiler.
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Lonewolves wrote:
Kovacs uncritically liking a Star Wars film is not a spoiler.
I was not sure if I liked how Luke was portraid.
Will see if others like it.
Zomg Spoilz
I enjoyed it as it did not spoon feed answers to you.
There are a lot of unanswered questions. Just like there was when you saw A new hope or Empire for the first time.
I like how it is passing on the batton to the new hero’s. That the rebel’s have to start again.
There are a lot of unanswered questions. Just like there was when you saw A new hope or Empire for the first time.
I like how it is passing on the batton to the new hero’s. That the rebel’s have to start again.
Renowned film critic 'My brother' was not impressed.
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Hearthly wrote:
Renowned film critic 'My brother' was not impressed.
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There seems to be a lot of angry fans, as it is not fan fiction and done what they wanted..
KovacsC wrote:
There seems to be a lot of angry fans, as it is not fan fiction and done what they wanted..
My brother's no big 'Star Wars Fan' in that regard, he just didn't rate it as a film in terms of writing and plot.
EDIT - He's actually a member here, I will see if he is minded to come on and explain himself.
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Hearthly wrote:
Renowned film critic 'My brother' was not impressed.
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There seems to be a lot of angry fans, as it is not fan fiction and done what they wanted..
This can be the only reason.
Just got home from watching it (at an IMAX screen, because I'm not an animal)...it was good...go see Star Wars.
3D IMAX was great
I watched it yesterday and really enjoyed it. The overall plot got a bit wearing because it felt like just one last minute escape after another but the character level stuff was all very well done. I did wonder about a couple of things:
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I really liked it. There were other holes that might occur to me, but generally it just seemed full of the wonder that I remember, setting it in a world (I like films that have ideas, life, species etc just pop up left, right and centre) while clearing away the chaff and letting the new heroes through. I wasn't mad keen on Force Awakens (liked it, mind, just didn't love it), and those plummy voices grate with me, but if Force Awakens was just creating space for that, then power to it. This one made me grin like a mad thing.
(I'm going to say it, because it seems the thing that isn't mentioned all the time and is conspicuous by its absence, though it's surely uncontroversial - Mark Hamill can't really act, his best bits, including the one big best bit, are when he doesn't have to do too much.)
(I'm going to say it, because it seems the thing that isn't mentioned all the time and is conspicuous by its absence, though it's surely uncontroversial - Mark Hamill can't really act, his best bits, including the one big best bit, are when he doesn't have to do too much.)
JBR wrote:
I really liked it. There were other holes that might occur to me, but generally it just seemed full of the wonder that I remember, setting it in a world (I like films that have ideas, life, species etc just pop up left, right and centre) while clearing away the chaff and letting the new heroes through. I wasn't mad keen on Force Awakens (liked it, mind, just didn't love it), and those plummy voices grate with me, but if Force Awakens was just creating space for that, then power to it. This one made me grin like a mad thing.
(I'm going to say it, because it seems the thing that isn't mentioned all the time and is conspicuous by its absence, though it's surely uncontroversial - Mark Hamill can't really act, his best bits, including the one big best bit, are when he doesn't have to do too much.)
(I'm going to say it, because it seems the thing that isn't mentioned all the time and is conspicuous by its absence, though it's surely uncontroversial - Mark Hamill can't really act, his best bits, including the one big best bit, are when he doesn't have to do too much.)
Agreed on Hamill...although it might be only 'live action Hamill'. He does however have the three most chucklesome bits in the film.
Loved it.
Enjoyed it for what it was.
Enjoyed it for what it was.
Morte wrote:
Agreed on Hamill...although it might be only 'live action Hamill'. He does however have the three most chucklesome bits in the film.
That's true - the speck, particularly. And I'm happy with them giving him the best lines, as it were. It all just felt confident and in control of itself to me.
I saw it, and I liked it a lot. I do, however, have opinions.
Preferred TFA, but it was a good film that I greatly enjoyed.
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Preferred TFA, but it was a good film that I greatly enjoyed.
JBR wrote:
Mark Hamill can't really act
Hamill's Joker is the best Joker. So there.
I thought Hamill was great. The kids really enjoyed it.
I thought it was good but flawed. The opening scene was brilliant, especially the bit with Roses sister. Poe is an absolute babe.
There were some plot inconsistencies, and Rose and Finn definitely made things considerably worse for the rebellion with their little sojourn, and it's not really a great to end up having the big bad be such a piss baby. But porgs!
Enjoyed it, but it really didn't live up to the promise of the first 15 minutes. Better than the prequels, not as good as force awakens or rogue one. Would buy on DVD. 719.5 astromechs out of 1000.
I thought it was good but flawed. The opening scene was brilliant, especially the bit with Roses sister. Poe is an absolute babe.
There were some plot inconsistencies, and Rose and Finn definitely made things considerably worse for the rebellion with their little sojourn, and it's not really a great to end up having the big bad be such a piss baby. But porgs!
Enjoyed it, but it really didn't live up to the promise of the first 15 minutes. Better than the prequels, not as good as force awakens or rogue one. Would buy on DVD. 719.5 astromechs out of 1000.
I sort-of assumed that
I thought the bit with the Spooky Mirror down the Scary Hole was really good.
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I thought the bit with the Spooky Mirror down the Scary Hole was really good.
But how did he know there were cloaked ships?
Is there really a character called Space Codebreaker?
He has no name. He's just Benicio del Toro, and he's a space codebreaker.
Not seen it yet, the tedious Star Wars fan in the next office hasn't either but he swears that he isn't going to. He was properly angry about it. No idea why and I didn't care to ask. Most normal people seem to have enjoyed it and Zardoz did as well so I'm sure it's fine.
God I hate star wars fanboys
MrChris wrote:
But how did he know there were cloaked ships?
He just offered to hack the mainframe on the ship to steal all their secrets, and found the cloaked ships that way.
Squirt wrote:
MrChris wrote:
But how did he know there were cloaked ships?
He just offered to hack the mainframe on the ship to steal all their secrets, and found the cloaked ships that way.
Hack the mainframe on the empire ship, how would they know about the cloaked ships?
No, soon as the Empire caught them he was like "I'm the best Space Codebreaker, I'll hack the rebel mainframe for you!"
To what end? Also he apparently needs to be on the ship to do it.
Hey, I'm no Space Network Admin. I just assumed he instantly rolled over and used his skills, and happened to find out what was going on. Maybe Finn and Rose left their Space VPN logged in and so he was able to hack the Resistance that way.
They told him on the ship after they free'd the Tricos. They asked him to keep it super secret.
Was that off camera? Also Finn and rose didn't know the cloaky shuttle plan.
I could just tell.
Somebody told them.
Somebody told them.
The consensus elsewhere seems to be that Poe told Finn and Rose about the cloaked ships over the radio when they were on their way to the battle, and Space Codebreaker overheard. I don't specifically recall that in the scene, but there we go.
God I love films that use hacking as a plot point. It’s not tedious and overused at all. Hack hack hack, all day long.
Worked for Conan.
Also cloaked but not invisable.
I am seeing it again on Wednesday
I am seeing it again on Wednesday
Yeah... we can all see your cape, dude.
We just didn't want to tell you straight away.
We just didn't want to tell you straight away.
There seem to be a lot of valid negative criticisms of the film knocking around that have nothing to do with upset fanboys.
I can't stress enough how my brother isn't any sort of fanboy and doesn't care about the 'Star Wars Universe' and what they 'have to do' or 'not do' with certain characters or the 'canon' or anything else - he just genuinely didn't think it was a good film.
Mrs Hearthly and Jnr are booked in at the cinema to see it on the 28th, I'll be at work so I won't be going, but will meet them for pizza afterwards. I'll see what they think about it then.
I can't stress enough how my brother isn't any sort of fanboy and doesn't care about the 'Star Wars Universe' and what they 'have to do' or 'not do' with certain characters or the 'canon' or anything else - he just genuinely didn't think it was a good film.
Mrs Hearthly and Jnr are booked in at the cinema to see it on the 28th, I'll be at work so I won't be going, but will meet them for pizza afterwards. I'll see what they think about it then.
I shall watch it again in disgust.
Well it's just there's a slight air of 'only the nerdy fanboys are complaining' going on, which does a disservice to people who legitimately didn't much rate the film for reasons X, Y and Z, and not because the film's creators dared to have THING A happen to CHARACTER B and it doesn't fit the universe because EVENT E happened in a some spin-off book in 1987.
Y'know, like if you're 'normal' then you'll like the film, and the only other possibility is that you're a hateful spod unworthy of human interaction.
Y'know, like if you're 'normal' then you'll like the film, and the only other possibility is that you're a hateful spod unworthy of human interaction.
I have seen it. I thought it was good, not great — but I’d really only rate Empire as great, I think. Probably better than either Force or Rogue, both of which I felt had sizeable flaws.
This twitter thread makes very good points about some valid criticisms, and also I think has a good explanation of why some people absolutely hated it:
https://twitter.com/a_man_in_black/stat ... 88736?s=17
This twitter thread makes very good points about some valid criticisms, and also I think has a good explanation of why some people absolutely hated it:
https://twitter.com/a_man_in_black/stat ... 88736?s=17
That's very true about Rey's bits being a very different kettle of fish to Finn's. I liked her sections much more.
I agree with a lot of what he says but not everything. For example, I think Poe's arc is excellent. A real foil to the idea that individual heroism solves every problem, which has been a theme of Star Wars to date.
He also highlights what I hated about the Rose character. She's there to tell you what you should be feeling morally about this place that's been thrown as a side plot almost as an afterthought. She's almost the opposite of the Poe arc, a black and white attempt to say 'Hey, this is bad and this is good, viewer'
Considering the entire premise of the light side/dark side struggle is basically an exercise in explaining the concept of shades of gray, the Rose arc is hamfisted moralising.
He also highlights what I hated about the Rose character. She's there to tell you what you should be feeling morally about this place that's been thrown as a side plot almost as an afterthought. She's almost the opposite of the Poe arc, a black and white attempt to say 'Hey, this is bad and this is good, viewer'
Considering the entire premise of the light side/dark side struggle is basically an exercise in explaining the concept of shades of gray, the Rose arc is hamfisted moralising.