Cavey wrote:
Look, Socialism has inarguably run its course. Byeeeeee!
But you want socialised healthcare.
Cavey wrote:
Seriously, how is it then that these private sector companies with shareholders and boardrooms ARE able to so successfully deliver in Austria, Spain, Finland or wherever? The answer lies in the frameworks upon which those systems require them to operate, and all we need to do is copy them.
Cras wrote:
Spain has the same model as us - fully funded state healthcare or private via insurance. It's pretty close to identical.
Cras wrote:
Wait, and so is the finnish model. I'm confused.
Hero of Excellence wrote:
What "Private Sector based systems"? The countries you've mentioned, Austria, Italy, Finland, Spain, Canada all have universal public healthcare. You can't have universal healthcare without state intervention and involvement. (Note that even America has state-funded Medicare and Medicaid.)
Cavey wrote:
Look, all I have said - all I have ever said - is we should simply COPY and emulate the best systems which are so demonstrably performing better than our own, for similar cost. If that involves partial, or even substantial public sector involvement then so be it, I could not give a toss/there is no ideological barrier. Fuck ideology, in fact (something else I've long said as well, for the record. I leave all that slavishly following stuff for its own sake to others).