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Kern wrote:
I've suddenly realised that I really have no opinion on whether the runway should be built at Heathrow or Gatwick. 'London' Oxford, on the other hand...


I am pretty much 'meh' about it. I like to think May has purposefully said Heathrow to put Boris in another uncomfortable position.
Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.
MaliA wrote:
Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.

Brexit means subsidies
Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.

Brexit means subsidies


Yeah, I dunno how I would feel if the government suddenly went about propping up businesses as a result of a poorly thought out decision against facts and stuff.
MaliA wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.

Brexit means subsidies


Yeah, I dunno how I would feel if the government suddenly went about propping up businesses as a result of a poorly thought out decision against facts and stuff.

I mean it's great for the 4,000 workers at the plant. Not so much for anyone else really. Tax payers' money being used to effectively bribe a foreign corporation to stay in the country.
Making sweetheart deals with major employers to stay in the UK despite Brexit is the new bailing out failing banks. Party like it's 2009, baby.
Surely what's next is every other manufacturer of anything immediately asking for a handout?
Sunderland without Nissan would be an unpleasant place.

Mind you... Sunderland *with* Nissan isn't much cop.
Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Bit fucked off Nissan have said that they are staying in Sunderland. Doesn't sit right, to me.

Brexit means subsidies


Yeah, I dunno how I would feel if the government suddenly went about propping up businesses as a result of a poorly thought out decision against facts and stuff.

I mean it's great for the 4,000 workers at the plant. Not so much for anyone else really. Tax payers' money being used to effectively bribe a foreign corporation to stay in the country.



My current feeling is still "most of them voted for it, suffer the consequences" but I think that inducements to stay should not be paid. If this is the desired direction, then the consequences need to be made clear.
MaliA wrote:
My current feeling is still "most of them voted for it, suffer the consequences" but I think that inducements to stay should not be paid. If this is the desired direction, then the consequences need to be made clear.

In your world, many spiteful faces would be noseless.
DavPaz wrote:
MaliA wrote:
My current feeling is still "most of them voted for it, suffer the consequences" but I think that inducements to stay should not be paid. If this is the desired direction, then the consequences need to be made clear.

In your world, many spiteful faces would be noseless.


I am still a little bitter and angry over it, so it clouds my judgement somewhat.
DavPaz wrote:
MaliA wrote:
My current feeling is still "most of them voted for it, suffer the consequences" but I think that inducements to stay should not be paid. If this is the desired direction, then the consequences need to be made clear.

In your world, many spiteful faces would be noseless.

This is the problem. Many people were convinced to vote leave with ridiculous promises from politicians and/or tabloid fearmongering, and I don't want to see people punished twice for it. I don't like seeing anyone losing their jobs and it would be a massive loss to the north-east where living standards are already poor as it is, but at the same time it doesn't sit right at all.

It's a shitty situation.
To a certain extent though, it is redistribution of wealth. Before brexit it was only the banks who received the money, now every big company that already makes billions can receive the money. Brexit has already balanced the payload, and we haven't even left yet, just wait until the banks have fucked off completely, all that money we give them can be spread out around the rest of the UK rather just fucking London fat cats.
Labour are more fucked than ever. How can they show their disapproval for this deal without seeming anti-worker?
Lonewolves wrote:
Labour are more fucked than ever. How can they show their disapproval for this deal without seeming anti-worker?


Had Labour proposed it, we would be hearing screams of 'Mr Corbyn wants a return to the 1970s!' from the government benches and the tabloids. Although I wouldn't put it past him feeling nostalgic for British Leyland.
Lonewolves wrote:
Labour are more fucked than ever. How can they show their disapproval for this deal without seeming anti-worker?


And a Tory government just saved jobs in a labour area.....
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Making sweetheart deals with major employers to stay in the UK despite Brexit is the new bailing out failing banks. Party like it's 2009, baby.


I see Twitter got a fact-checked version of this joke :)
Kern wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Labour are more fucked than ever. How can they show their disapproval for this deal without seeming anti-worker?


Had Labour proposed it, we would be hearing screams of 'Mr Corbyn wants a return to the 1970s!' from the government benches and the tabloids. Although I wouldn't put it past him feeling nostalgic for British Leyland.


Blair was saying today it was a Tory party from 1960s and a labour party from 1960s
MaliA wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Labour are more fucked than ever. How can they show their disapproval for this deal without seeming anti-worker?


And a Tory government just saved jobs in a labour area.....


It's a clever strategy. Labour are more or less extinct in Scotland so the Tories are happy to gift it to the SNP and take up the opposition role there, whilst in the North make massive inroads into its traditional heartlands to appeal to the wavering working classes who might otherwise move to UKIP.
MaliA wrote:
Blair was saying today it was a Tory party from 1960s and a labour party from 1960s


I find it hard to not like either Supermac or Wilson mark 1 and wish current leaders were like either.
Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Blair was saying today it was a Tory party from 1960s and a labour party from 1960s


I find it hard to not like either Supermac or Wilson mark 1 and wish current leaders were like either.



Welcome to my Rover 25. £1k to you, sir.
So are we... all in agreement today? :S
Thinking about it, I haven't heard much from Corbyn of late. One would have thought he'd be in the papers over Goldman Sachs tapes with some comment or something.
Lonewolves wrote:
So are we... all in agreement today? :S

I guess Cavey was right. We're all a bunch of woolly liberals.
Cras wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Making sweetheart deals with major employers to stay in the UK despite Brexit is the new bailing out failing banks. Party like it's 2009, baby.


I see Twitter got a fact-checked version of this joke :)

Yes, yes it did.
MaliA wrote:
Thinking about it, I haven't heard much from Corbyn of late. One would have thought he'd be in the papers over Goldman Sachs tapes with some comment or something.


Reading the transcript of this week's PMQs he made some pretty good points about the government's strategy on Brexit and on Saudi Arabia. I haven't seen the footage so I don't know how it came across in the Chamber but it appeared better than his usual efforts (at least until he tried a joke). Still came across as a backbencher rather than as a leader, however. Blair would have stuck to the Brexit theme, kept each question short, and been far more thrusting and brutal with his blows. PMQs is theatre, after all, and you need to play the game to do well.
DavPaz wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
So are we... all in agreement today? :S

I guess Cavey was right. We're all a bunch of woolly liberals.


I miss Cavey. Shame he wasn't at Cottage.
So, whilst on various holidays this year I was noticing buildings with small blue and white plaques on them. I'd no idea what these meant, and thought it related to fire hydrant locations or similar. Turns out it's a symbol for protected monuments under the 1954 Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict, and whilst we signed it in 1954 it's only now that a bill bringing this convention into domestic law has been going through Parliament. It's already passed the Lords and had second reading in the Commons a couple of days ago. The blue/white symbol will become a protected sign, similar to the Red Cross. Never heard of it before, and something that's slipped passed by radar as all parties are agreeing on it.
Quote:
Kevin Brannan (Cardiff West) (Lab):

The convention applies only to events after 1954, so we fortunately do not have to revisit all those times in too much detail; otherwise, before we knew it, we would have SNP Members going on about the Stone of Scone.

Brendan O’Hara (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) :

We’ve already got it.
Shame ISIS didn't see the symbols, eh?
Government loses case in high court, act of parliament required to trigger A50.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live
Cras wrote:
Government loses case in high court, act of parliament required to trigger A50.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live


Ah, the courts continue their campaign to annoy May. Super. Well, off to appeals we go?
Cras wrote:
Government loses case in high court, act of parliament required to trigger A50.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live

I don't think it'll make too much difference tbh
MaliA wrote:
Cras wrote:
Government loses case in high court, act of parliament required to trigger A50.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live


Ah, the courts continue their campaign to annoy May. Super. Well, off to appeals we go?


I read probably not, as they won't want to lose in front of the CoA and SC. They'l likely just hold tight and hope the MPs won't piss off their constituents who voted leave. A lot of the new Tory MPs are in leave constituencies, I think.
MrChris wrote:
the MPs won't piss off their constituents who voted leave. A lot of the new Tory MPs are in leave constituencies, I think.


Not to mention Labour ones.
Kern wrote:
MrChris wrote:
the MPs won't piss off their constituents who voted leave. A lot of the new Tory MPs are in leave constituencies, I think.


Not to mention Labour ones.


Corbyn will grab this opportunity to delay and delay the three line whip voting for Brexit until the deal Britain wants and needs is reached. The opposition cannot fail us now,
I'm not reading 32 pages.
MaliA wrote:
Kern wrote:
MrChris wrote:
the MPs won't piss off their constituents who voted leave. A lot of the new Tory MPs are in leave constituencies, I think.


Not to mention Labour ones.


Corbyn will grab this opportunity to delay and delay the three line whip voting for Brexit until the deal Britain wants and needs is reached. The opposition cannot fail us now,

He can't. Too many northern Labour constituencies voted Leave. They will get even more unpopular!
Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Kern wrote:
MrChris wrote:
the MPs won't piss off their constituents who voted leave. A lot of the new Tory MPs are in leave constituencies, I think.


Not to mention Labour ones.


Corbyn will grab this opportunity to delay and delay the three line whip voting for Brexit until the deal Britain wants and needs is reached. The opposition cannot fail us now,

He can't. Too many northern Labour constituencies voted Leave. They will get even more unpopular!


My kids are Northern you monster. I asked the older one what she thought and she shouted "It's Frog Time" and ran about a bit before feeding the other one playdoh so I suspect she's a bit racist and a Brexiteer
I love good argument about the constitution and the relationship between the Crown and Parliament. Might have to sit down with some port and cheese later to savour the judgement.
Kern wrote:
I love good argument about the constitution and the relationship between the Crown and Parliament. Might have to sit down with some port and cheese later to savour the judgement.


I emailed it you
MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Cras wrote:
Government loses case in high court, act of parliament required to trigger A50.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live


Ah, the courts continue their campaign to annoy May. Super. Well, off to appeals we go?


I read probably not, as they won't want to lose in front of the CoA and SC. They'l likely just hold tight and hope the MPs won't piss off their constituents who voted leave. A lot of the new Tory MPs are in leave constituencies, I think.


Appealing to SC. Rumble away!
MaliA wrote:
My kids are Northern you monster. I asked the older one what she thought and she shouted "It's Frog Time" and ran about a bit before feeding the other one playdoh so I suspect she's a bit racist and a Brexiteer

:DD
I hope they take it all the way to the ECJ in Luxembourg.
MaliA wrote:
MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Cras wrote:
Government loses case in high court, act of parliament required to trigger A50.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live


Ah, the courts continue their campaign to annoy May. Super. Well, off to appeals we go?


I read probably not, as they won't want to lose in front of the CoA and SC. They'l likely just hold tight and hope the MPs won't piss off their constituents who voted leave. A lot of the new Tory MPs are in leave constituencies, I think.


Appealing to SC. Rumble away!


Giving themselves even less time to prepare and pass an act before March.
Cras wrote:
MaliA wrote:
MrChris wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Cras wrote:
Government loses case in high court, act of parliament required to trigger A50.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live


Ah, the courts continue their campaign to annoy May. Super. Well, off to appeals we go?


I read probably not, as they won't want to lose in front of the CoA and SC. They'l likely just hold tight and hope the MPs won't piss off their constituents who voted leave. A lot of the new Tory MPs are in leave constituencies, I think.


Appealing to SC. Rumble away!


Giving themselves even less time to prepare and pass an act before March.


Maybe this was May's Plan?
Apparently if Brexit hasn't happened by Spring 2019 Farage will return to campaigning.

Reason enough to get it done quick, right?
Mr Russell wrote:
Apparently if Brexit hasn't happened by Spring 2019 Farage will return to campaigning.

Reason enough to get it done quick, right?



can't we just have him shot?
KovacsC wrote:
Mr Russell wrote:
Apparently if Brexit hasn't happened by Spring 2019 Farage will return to campaigning.

Reason enough to get it done quick, right?



can't we just have him shot?


No, because of Human Rights
MaliA wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
Mr Russell wrote:
Apparently if Brexit hasn't happened by Spring 2019 Farage will return to campaigning.

Reason enough to get it done quick, right?



can't we just have him shot?


No, because of Human Rights

Not for long...
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