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I think it's that there is a feeling among a lot of people that there was a grenade being passed around that happened to go off at a specific time, and that passing the entirety of he blame on to that person is a little unfair.
Mate, as I've said, for that to be true, the "grenade" you speak of would have to have been "passed around" for fully 11 years (i.e. from 1997 onwards, until 2008 when the crash actually occurred).
That's just ridiculous, sorry. If something was wrong and needed fixing, over a decade seems like plenty time enough for a competent government to identify the problem and come up with the necessary solution. Labour didn't exactly hide their supposed economic credentials under a bushel, remember - as I've said repeatedly, they saw fit to tear down all the regulatory framework etc. the minute they came into office, with disastrous results.
For me, this all comes back to the culpability or otherwise of the Left. In management terms, it's a nonsense to blame someone - or a previous management/board - that you replaced a decade or more ago (or for that matter, claim "they would have done the same as me" as your defence). I mean, it's all just so fucking ludicrous/mickey mouse?
Honestly, trying to explain this to some people around here? (Not you
It's like trying to delicately negotiate an explanation to a pouting 8-year old that actually, Santa Claus doesn't really exist. Frankly with the same end result half the time.
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Whilst we can hypothesise about what the Tories would have done until the cows come home,
Pointless
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as far as I'm aware they didn't really oppose the reforms,
Ahem, they most certainly did oppose Labour's regulatory and BoE changes mate, vehemently so in fact (as I've said)
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haven't done much in the way of response
Haven't done much? Apart from axing 700,000 public sector jobs and creating the right economic conditions to create 2,000,000 new private sector jobs since 2010? Delivering the fastest growing developed economy, now larger than pre-crash size and with more people than ever in work, just a few years after total meltdown?
Yeah, those evil tories huh. Honestly mate, just what do they have to do to keep you peeps happy? If someone had offered me this in 2010, I would not have believed it was possible. But like I say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating; no-one can deny the empirical PROOF of the efficacy of these austerity policies.
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I think whilst you are incorrectly painted by some as a True Blue Tory (which you aren't), you do always seem hyper-critical of Labour.
Curio, I am an old school Patrician Tory; possibly not even worthy of the title "Tory" at all. I could sit very comfortably on the right wing of the Liberal Democrat Party, most especially in all matters besides economic policy.
You want "True Blue Tory", speak to Mrs C.... she regards me as a yellow-livered Liberal. But compared to most of you guys, EBG and APoD excepted (
), I must look like fecking Brown Shirt.
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I think you said something about them never having achieved anything, which overlooks the likes of the NHS, workers rights, and more recently peace in Northern Ireland, increase in gay rights, minimum wages, phenomenal reductions in child poverty, abstention from joining the Eurozone, and some other stuff (and a ton of awful shit).
I'll concede the NI, keeping us out of the Euro (although Blair wanted us in, the twat) and gay stuff.
The point I was making, though, is that there's little point in lifting people out of (supposed) poverty, only to dump 'em all back in it - and more besides - because you've failed to regulate the banks and as a result, have screwed the entire economy upon which everything else flows from.
It's a simple point - "It's the economy, stupid"