SKYRIM - Let's talk about the upcoming Elder Scrolls game...

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:34

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Fuck all the other "good"[1] games -- I'm getting this.

[1] as I don't like CoD or BF, the herd was somewhat thinned for me. Although I might get BF3 in time if it has staying power.

My friend has BF3 and he pointed out that it's pretty much pointless trying to get into the fast jets now, as they start with cannons, and everyone who has been playing it from day 1 will now have heat seeking missiles so you'll never get the kills to level the planes up. Kinda put me off it.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:36

MaliA wrote:

My friend has BF3 and he pointed out that it's pretty much pointless trying to get into the fast jets now, as they start with cannons, and everyone who has been playing it from day 1 will now have heat seeking missiles so you'll never get the kills to level the planes up. Kinda put me off it.

Best plan is to spot enemies using the planes until you level up enough to get flares. Then it becomes easier to avoid being blown up.

GovernmentYard · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5318

Malia - Not true, you need about 3 kills to level up to flares which negate a lot of the heatseekers which come your way. A handful more kills than that (which are the easily obtainable) and you get your own heatseekers and shortly thereafter it's Stealth time and then the paying field is more or less entirely level.

There are a lot of unlocks in this game, certianly, but they are well enough balanced that you feel like you've earned the essentails without having to grind them for hours. Get the game, jump in your jets, you'll be there in no time.

In fact, you don't even need to get kills - spot a few flying or land enemies, practice your flying skills and tricks, get the odd strafe on for assist points and bob's your uncle. Truly the most stressful thing about jets and copters is the bastard opposition spawncamping your runways and carriers. But that's what squadmates and stinger missiles and AA batteries are for, surely.

All this stuff is in the BF3 thread, mind.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:41

I can't see the combat being anywhere near as good as it is in Dark Souls. Still looks quite floaty from the videos I've seen.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 13:02

kalmar wrote:

Awesome reptile is awesome.

Poor reptile, minus 14 million points.

kalmar · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 13:05

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 13:29

I want to hit commoners with a sword. Can I do this in Skyrim?

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

10/10 from Eurogamer in a lovely review.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Sweet! Still need to finish other stuff first though!

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Hah!

http://www.destructoid.com/review-the-e ... 5507.phtml

Quote:

Preparing for a new Elder Scrolls game is like preparing to die. One must ensure they get all their worldly affairs in order, speak with the people who mean everything to them, and have a final meal. After all, once that disc goes in, the user may as well have departed from our mortal world.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Edge have given it a 9. The combat isn't as good as Dark Souls, which they also gave a 9. Does Zardoz work for Edge?

http://www.next-gen.biz/reviews/elder-s ... rim-review

And don't get me started on them posting their reviews online before the magazine even lands on my doormat. The wankers.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 16:17

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Fuck all the other "good"[1] games -- I'm getting this.

[1] as I don't like CoD or BF, the herd was somewhat thinned for me. Although I might get BF3 in time if it has staying power.

Yeah, not interested in yet another samey military shooter, am interested in this, but my list of current games plus games I want for cheapers and that waiting won't negatively effect it means it might take a while to get. Barrington massive splitting over it thought

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Has anyone got the Collins Pocket Mr Dave to English Dictionary handy?

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

MaliA wrote:

I'll get it when it is £20. Been waiting so long, another 10 days won't hurt.

Gilly wrote:

I'm getting it for Christmas probably since i'll be a slave to mw3 'til then. Looking forward to it though, I'm expecting good things

Craster wrote:

There's too many good games!

WTB wrote:

I was well up for this before Dark Souls. Now I'm happy to wait a bit.

Zardoz wrote:

I might ask Santa for it, not in any rush to get it at launch.

myp it wrote:

It's just Fallout with swords.

Dr Lave wrote:

Anyhow it doesn't come out for a year or so. I'll wait for the full release and save myself the agony of pondering whether or not I want the dlc.

This candy assed attitude is why none of you are the true Champion of Cyrodil.

(Oblivion is the only game I have 1000 on, although I never did Shivering Isles so I don't have the full 1250.)

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 16:23

WTB wrote:

Has anyone got the Collins Pocket Mr Dave to English Dictionary handy?

Barring massive spluffing over it though.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

I'll amend my Dave notes!

And Doc, I don't want to be Champion of Cibrushille anyway.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Just read the Eurogamer review. Oh my, that sounds exceptionally good. I may have to ask Mrs K if I can have my birthday tomorrow.

Malc74 · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 16:56

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

10/10 from Eurogamer in a lovely review.

Okay, so now I'm excited. I still have that lingering feeling of disappointment hanging over me from Oblivion, though...

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

Loved Morrowind, hated Oblivion.

I'll wait until I get a reading from the Hive Mind. Excluding WTB as he is truly rubbish at games opinions. I mean 'worse than Dan Shitehead' rubbish.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:06

WTB wrote:

Zardoz work for Edge?

Edge works for Zardoz.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:08

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

This candy assed attitude is why none of you are the true Champion of Cyrodil.

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK!

Take that back.

Also: Will I be able to use my mountain of Nirnroot in Skyrim?

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:10

Malc74 wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

10/10 from Eurogamer in a lovely review.

Okay, so now I'm excited. I still have that lingering feeling of disappointment hanging over me from Oblivion, though...

The Oblivion Gates where a drag after the 3rd one. And moulding my character so he was a master of sneaking/invisibility just to avoid boring fights and get to the good bits isn't really a good sign, thinking back.

Dark Souls.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Pundabaya wrote:

Loved Morrowind, hated Oblivion.

I'll wait until I get a reading from the Hive Mind. Excluding WTB as he is truly rubbish at games opinions. I mean 'worse than Dan Shitehead' rubbish.

I hate you and everything you stand for.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:13

Hmm...

Quote:

Skyrim still takes place in a world where a woolly mammoth can suddenly levitate a hundred feet into the sky and stay there. It still takes place in a world where trying to aid the city watch in a battle against a rampaging dragon can see you arrested and taken to prison – before the battle's over, mind – for striking one of the soldiers with a glancing blow. It's still a world where a nobleman will try, repeatedly, to enter a tavern, having forgotten to climb off his horse first. It's a world of clunking animation, of reused voice actors, of bandits talking over their own death throes. It's a world that's entirely engaging one moment and an utter farce the next.

Dark Souls.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Zardoz wrote:

Hmm...

Quote:

Skyrim still takes place in a world where a woolly mammoth can suddenly levitate a hundred feet into the sky and stay there. It still takes place in a world where trying to aid the city watch in a battle against a rampaging dragon can see you arrested and taken to prison – before the battle's over, mind – for striking one of the soldiers with a glancing blow. It's still a world where a nobleman will try, repeatedly, to enter a tavern, having forgotten to climb off his horse first. It's a world of clunking animation, of reused voice actors, of bandits talking over their own death throes. It's a world that's entirely engaging one moment and an utter farce the next.

Dark Souls.

No different to Fallout NV, and that game is teh aces.

I literally can't wait to get this.

Morte · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:17

Zardoz wrote:

Hmm...

Quote:

Skyrim still takes place in a world where a woolly mammoth can suddenly levitate a hundred feet into the sky and stay there. It still takes place in a world where trying to aid the city watch in a battle against a rampaging dragon can see you arrested and taken to prison – before the battle's over, mind – for striking one of the soldiers with a glancing blow. It's still a world where a nobleman will try, repeatedly, to enter a tavern, having forgotten to climb off his horse first. It's a world of clunking animation, of reused voice actors, of bandits talking over their own death throes. It's a world that's entirely engaging one moment and an utter farce the next.

Dark Souls.

I thought that was part of the joy of the Elder Scrolls games...no? Just must be me then (although the City Guard 'issues' can be wearisome, especially as I like to play sneaky, stabby, stealy barstools).

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:21

Morte!

Yeah of course I'll be bumming Skyrim in the face. It's just that Dark Souls has upped the ante since Oblivion.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

I will get to hit dragons and mammoths in the face. This is the best thing ever. Not like your stupid dead people game.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:24

Kissyfur you would love Dark Souls, seriously.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Zardoz wrote:

Kissyfur you would love Dark Souls, seriously.

It's on my to get list. The reviews and that remind me of Soul Reaver 2, in a way, which I loved.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

The game people think they want is Skyrim, but the game they actually want is Dark Souls.

They just don't realise it. Yet.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38667

Dr Lave wrote:

The game people think they want is Skyrim, but the game they actually want is Dark Souls.

They just don't realise it. Yet.

I want neither.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Dr Lave wrote:

The game people think they want is Skyrim, but the game they actually want is Dark Souls.

They just don't realise it. Yet.

Does it have any mammoths in it? No? Shush.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:35

It has a Chaos Spider Titty Witch.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:35

DavPaz wrote:

Dr Lave wrote:

The game people think they want is Skyrim, but the game they actually want is Dark Souls.

They just don't realise it. Yet.

I want neither.

Poof.

Malc74 · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:35

Zardoz wrote:

Malc74 wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

10/10 from Eurogamer in a lovely review.

Okay, so now I'm excited. I still have that lingering feeling of disappointment hanging over me from Oblivion, though...

The Oblivion Gates where a drag after the 3rd one. And moulding my character so he was a master of sneaking/invisibility just to avoid boring fights and get to the good bits isn't really a good sign, thinking back.

Dark Souls.

Skyrim first, then by the time I'm done with that, Dark Souls should be down in price a bit, or it'll be Christmas. Also - the worst thing about Oblivion was the auto-levelling bullshit. Morrowind operated on the sensible premise that the further you got from Seyda Neen, the more difficult your opponents got. Oblivion assumed that people actually enjoyed the combat and therefore made it exactly the same all the way through the game, robbing free-roaming afficionados of the great pleasure of going back to an "easy" area when hugely levelled up and twatting everything in sight with one swing of their sword.
Also: yes, the Oblivion gates were fucking awful and I ended up whacking the difficulty down just so I could get through them as quickly as possible.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

In fact, I would argue no game has ever felt as much like a real place, open to exploration, as dark souls.

Game of the year. Probably generation.

Some audio engineer dude on reddit took the pr marketing trailer ripped out the "epic" music and spliced in some music from inception (no not [i]that[\i] music) and it represents how it feels to play the game perfectly.

http://www.vimeo.com/31823836

i would really, really recommend anyone interested in Skyrim to take a chance on it, and give it your full attention for a bit. It will pay of in spades. I don't think I've ever wanted to recommend a game as much since Minecraft.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:37

The Edge review does indeed make it sound awesome. Just not quite as awesome as I now expect from my swords and sorcery games.

Dark Souls.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:38

Malc74 wrote:

Also - the worst thing about Oblivion was the auto-levelling bullshit.

Oh God, aye.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:39

Malc74 wrote:

Oblivion assumed that people actually enjoyed the combat and therefore made it exactly the same all the way through the game, robbing free-roaming afficionados of the great pleasure of going back to an "easy" area when hugely levelled up and twatting everything in sight with one swing of their sword.

Dark Souls.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

That trailer is awesome, but even that does nothing to convey the sense of scale and beauty of the seamless game world. It really has to be played to be appreciated. It's one of, if not the most magnificent game world I've ever had the pleasure of running around in.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

WTB wrote:

That trailer is awesome, but even that does nothing to convey the sense of scale and beauty of the seamless game world. It really has to be played to be appreciated. It's one of, if not the most magnificent game world I've ever had the pleasure of running around in.

Hang on, what? How have you got this already?

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Don't get me wrong, I'm getting Dark Souls -- but I'm getting Skyrim first.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Zardoz wrote:

It has a Chaos Spider Titty Witch.

And a Skeleton made of Skeletons.

And armour that clunks and scrapes with every step.

And Fear.

And so many Dragons.

And the whispers of other players huddled around your campfire, or ringing the church bell, or scrawling a message on the floor.*

And it will make you feel so alone.

*I would argue, like multiplayer games, this single player game needs to played whilst lots of others will still be playing it.

Malc74 · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:46

Zardoz wrote:

Malc74 wrote:

Oblivion assumed that people actually enjoyed the combat and therefore made it exactly the same all the way through the game, robbing free-roaming afficionados of the great pleasure of going back to an "easy" area when hugely levelled up and twatting everything in sight with one swing of their sword.

Dark Souls.

Dagnabbit man, I can't play two games at once!
Can I?

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

WTB wrote:

That trailer is awesome, but even that does nothing to convey the sense of scale and beauty of the seamless game world. It really has to be played to be appreciated. It's one of, if not the most magnificent game world I've ever had the pleasure of running around in.

Hang on, what? How have you got this already?

Dark Souls.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

WTB wrote:

That trailer is awesome, but even that does nothing to convey the sense of scale and beauty of the seamless game world. It really has to be played to be appreciated. It's one of, if not the most magnificent game world I've ever had the pleasure of running around in.

Hang on, what? How have you got this already?

The trailer was for Dark Souls! Sorry for the confuzzling - I haven't played Skyrim yet.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Malc74 wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

Malc74 wrote:

Oblivion assumed that people actually enjoyed the combat and therefore made it exactly the same all the way through the game, robbing free-roaming afficionados of the great pleasure of going back to an "easy" area when hugely levelled up and twatting everything in sight with one swing of their sword.

Dark Souls.

Dagnabbit man, I can't play two games at once!
Can I?

Nope you can play one.

Dark Souls.

Case in point: last night I got home from work at 11:30 and wanted to play Dark Souls. But on the walk home I realised I just couldn't. I was too tired. Too weak.

I was scared. The risk too high.

Any other game, ever? Sure. Dark Souls? No, I need to be my best.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38667

Dr Lave wrote:

http://www.vimeo.com/31823836

That does look very epic.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Nov 10, 2011 17:51

How much is the horse armour this time?

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