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Alright, MW3 is less than a week away. I've already dropped a fiver on it at Tesco to save 70-odd pence on Battlefield 3, so I might as well get it, eh?

Anyone excited? Who's getting it?

I'm warming to Battlefield 3 more and more, but I'm still struggling to shake the disappointment of how broken and buggy it is. CoD games generally deliver on that front, with a good user interface, loads of fun game modes (plus some new ones this year), and they make it easy to play with your mates. Rather than limiting you to yourself and three others, one of whom will inevitably be dumped on the opposing fucking team. But any way, this is a separate thread for MW3 discussion, so less of that.

In a "much too lazy to read anything" way, do we know what's new? I saw that they've changed the killstreak logic to include things like flag captures and stuff - what else?

I've got work to be doing, but I'll briefly list what I can remember off the top of my heed!

There are now three killstreak "trees" to choose from. One is the regular one where if you stay alive, you get attack choppers and stuff (I'm not entirely clear on this one, actually - can someone confirm? Is it basically the same as killstreaks used to be, or is it modified slightly?). One is a support oriented one where even if you die, your kill streak continues and you're given support stuff like UAVs and care packages and stuff, and the final one is for "lone gunners" - with every other kill you unlock one of the perks until you've unlocked them all and you're a total badass. Resets when you die, though.

New game modes, there's one called "Kill Confirmed" or something, which is basically TDM, but you only get half of the XP for shooting someone and you get the other half for "confirming the kill" by picking up a dogtag they drop. You can also pick up the dogtags of your team mates to deny the opposition XP/points. There's also an "Oddball" rip off with a flag, where players must hold onto the flag for as long as possible whilst points are racked up. Which is good because Oddball is one of my favourite Halo modes.

I'm sure there's plenty more stuff, but that's all I can think of right now. I'm chuffed about the killstreak stuff, though. It tackles my main criticism of the previous games head-on.

I'll be waiting for some player reviews and to see what happens with BF3 over time.

I really enjoyed MW2, then moved to BF:BC2 and loved that, then bought Blops and thought it was rubbish. If MW3 is like MW2 I may be interested.

Oh yeah, and now you level your weapons as well as your character apparently.

I've got BF3 but haven't had time to venture online yet - I've not played any of the previous ones so thought it was about time I played a slightly more thoughtful shooter.

That said, I've still ordered MW3 from Asda for £32 as I know I'll end up playing that a hell of a lot over the next few months.
Annoyingly I couldn't get the day off work this year so I'll have to wait till the evening to give it a go.

As for the changes, I like the sound of the weapon levelling but the killstreaks all sounds very confusing

Without trying to sound glib, how does weapon levelling differ from MW2's system of unlocking attachments for kills?

It has a name now!

I read it as enabling things like less recoil and faster aiming as opposed to physical attachments.

As much as I'm loving BF3. MW3 running at 60fps makes a massive difference to play, slick fast very John Woo. Love it.

Killstreaks are digital crack - 'Pave low in bound' is music to my ears - break from cover whip out shot gun and clear rooms for people taking cover and take down rocket launching players in open space.

Where can I get this on release day?

Personally, if it was me, I would try a shop.

I think its going to be worse than BLOPS to be honest. I preferred BLOPS to MW2 in both single player and MP. Looking at MW3, it just feels like more of the same. CoD4 is one of my all-time faves, but MW2 was a let down. BLOPS was a pleasant surprise but still didn't really improve on 4.

The majority of 'improvements' are either *sigh* more gadgets, or altering how you obtain gadgets. Fuck that.

Oh, and I bet they haven't changed the fucking knife.

They have, actually. HA!

Booo, save it for the BF3 thread!
I didn't really prefer Blops single player, it was a bit more polished, but it wasn't great. Going back to play mw2 after blops shows up mw2 a bit, but blops wasn't a huge increase over mw2. mw2 was a big step over mw1 though, but that may simply be my sheer desperation to play something new after playing so much cod4.

It'll be shiny MW2

I don't see new game modes being such a big addition.

I like new game modes. Plenty of variety. Halo is great for that.

Having gone back to MW2 recently, I have to say that I think it's way better than BLOPS, albeit it with a couple of annoyances (overpowered noob tubes and no running dives).

I can only imagine MW3 will be a FIFA-esque upgrade to MW2, and I can live with that. New maps, new unlocks, etc. As shallow as it is, I loved the unlocks in MW2 for emblems and titles. Once I'd bought everything in BLOPS I had little to aim for other than winning individual games, and little incentive to change my style of play. MW2's emblems and titles made me change killstreaks, guns, perks and all sorts. Hell, I even earned two new titles in the last week, and loved it. Plus the killstreaks are more fun.

As for single player - I actually really liked BLOPS, but nothing beats a bit of Captain Price. As long as there are some memorable levels (and there always are), I'll be happy enough.

I said the same in the BLOPS thread. There just seems to be seething more satisfying about displaying something you've earned than showing how creative you are. Or aren't.

As much as I loved my ninja tag in BLOPS I'd knocked it up in an hours play and couldn't be arsed changing it.

The main reason i'm happy about MW3 coming out soon, is that it will split the two FPS camps again, and the current k/d obsessives on BF3 can decamp to MW3
Don't get me wrong, I love a bit of lone wolf run and gun, and i'll happily do that in MW3 (assuming it is any good), but BF3 needs the people who don't "get it" to move on so that can thrive.

Although BF3 having TDM servers means this isn't as bad as previous iterations.

I'll probably buy this while it's still new, and try and join in with some multiplayer gaming.

I am finding TDM on Battlefield to be a bit shit. The spawn points are the worst I have ever experienced (since Blops anyway)

No, you miss my point. It means all the players interested in K/D ratios are playing that mode instead. I'm sticking to Conquest and Rush.

You can happily play team objective games with communication in Modern Warfare, and thrive... especially with the altered killstreak rewards now.

I think I remember itsallwater coming top in a game of Domination despite not killing a single person.

@ myp it

ah, yes I agree - I think once MW3 comes out battlefield should calm down to more team play.

And Rush and conquest are the only modes worth playing.

I also think BF3 fucked up by having Gun unlocks associated with kill count. It just encourages solo play.

I have seen far less first aid dudes and medics actually heal people in this than BC2

Yep, no fucker is reviving anymore, and good luck getting any ammo when you run out.

Hang on, this is the MW3 thread. *punches self*

Perhaps you could make an unofficial topic and have the cross chat in there ?

Anyway - back on topic IGN livestreamed a lot of MW3 stuff earlier this week

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2011/11/02/mod ... ctid=69474

Theres lots of single player and multiplayer stuff mixed up in there and it looks good !

Jump to around the 18 minute mark to get an idea of some multiplayer - and just realized thats only part 1 - there seems to be hours of it

oi! I kill people some times!

It's still a one hit kill, they've just taken out Commando. So you can't teleport 5 metres to stab me, now you just have to ignore the three round burst I've just put into your crotch and stab me.

I hate the knife, if you round the corner and come face to face with an enemy, whoever presses the knife button first wins, even if the other guy is in the process of filling you full of lead.

And they've included the tactical knife thingy.

Looks like the added team aspects isn't adding much. Checking the feed above everyone is all over the map with little direction. But to be honest that is what I like about COD. Fast paced madness, I don't have time to consider what everyone else is doing at every respawn. However this doesn't look much better than a map pack for MW2 at the moment. I'll probably get this at some point but after watching I think I can wait (a little while anyway).

I've watched quite a bit of this and it really does look like MW2.5 rather than 3 , the two new game modes are interesting but i doubt they will make that much difference and the look / feel / perks / (deathstreaks) look so much more like MW2 than anything else.

Okay - first 'release day price'

Bestbuy £29.99

Image linked from hotukdeals : http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u270 ... h/mod3.jpg

Only on Tuesday - i'd expect details from the supermarkets to start to come out over the weekend and on Monday

There's a very good chance that i'll have this tomorrow evening.

how?

If so i'd suggest not playing it online

Twitter post from the head of Xbox policy enforcement (Stepto)

http://twitter.com/#!/stepto

A shop selling it early. What sort of action would ms take when there could be people buying it without knowing it wasn't released yet, it getting it delivered early and not knowing that technically its not out til the next day?

I have no idea - and for all the previous games they have always said if the shop broke release date then thats the shops problem - do what you want - however for this one they are saying something different.

Its really up to you but if i had it and read that i would be playing single player offline only.

** Edit ** I'm sure i've seen stuff posted online about 'stolen' copies and it wouldnt suprise me if there are already copies on the web somewhere and thats what they will focus on - i simply dont know.

Complete bullshit. Why would Activision have anything to do with telling MS who they can and cannot ban from Xbox Live? If you buy it fair and square, you're allowed to play it. It has always been the case. It was the case with Halo Reach last year, MW2 the year before, Gears 2, etc. Journos have the game now and they're playing it online. Ignore that tweet - it's a lie intended to scare people into waiting until launch day so Activision can count as many single-day sales as possible in their willy-waving contest with EA.

Plus, all it says is "may impact your account". The worst Activision could do is reset your XP on release day or whatever. It would never be more serious than that. But as I say, the journalists are playing it and probably have been for a few days now. There's no way of telling who is a journo and who bought the game or even who has downloaded the fucker. You'll be absolutely fine, Gilly.

There are a number of websites with various info about it today - my suggestion is check back in later today (America is only just waking up so this is mainly stuff from 'overnight')

geek.com says if you have it play it - no problems

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/mode ... e-2011114/

(also mentions some of these early copies are going for $200 on ebay / craigslist)

Digitalspy copies the tweet and says that he originally said if the streetdate was broken then go ahead and play but changed his message :

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news ... osoft.html

Same from the inquirer

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/bof ... -xbox-live



Vg247

http://www.vg247.com/2011/11/04/microso ... -live-ban/

Activision... All soft and fluffy, aren't they.

FTFY

As I've said, EVERYTHING all of those sources are saying is completely moot because journalists are playing it right now as we speak. Activision and Microsoft have absolutely NO WAY of knowing who is playing a PR copy and who is playing a "bought early" or even a pirated copy. Games journalists don't have their gamertags registered with Activision. You get sent a copy of the game by the relevant PR company prior to release. The journos have their copies. I know this for a fact. There's naff all Activision can do, and they're just trying to scare people into waiting. As for the various websites reporting it, they want hits, CoD news always delivers, simple as that. I can guarantee that Patrick Garrett of VG247 knows for a fact what I've said above. In fact, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't have his own fucking copy already.

Bollocks there isn't.

They control what gets sent out. If they want a differentiator, they can put one there.

Uh, they can't!

All you get is the same disk everyone else gets, but in a shoddier box. They can't tell one copy from t'other. As far as I'm aware, there are no individual identifiers built into any Xbox 360 disks. That would take effort. They're all identical copies. Maybe next gen we'll all get serial codes or something, but it was an oversight this generation.

I'm not saying they couldn't do it, but I am saying they don't.

Change that to $1725

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1211626p1.html

**note link contains some game spoilers (not copied below) **

It'd be possible by making a supplied Gamertag be a prerequisite of getting a review copy.

Then just ban anyone playing before the release date unless they're on the Safe List.

I don't think they have done that, but it's a very easy way to keep track.