Be Excellent To Each Other

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRG7N_koxF0

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRG7N_koxF0



Amazing !

That's it... I'm leaving the forum till January.

I'm coming with you

Did I mention where I'm going?

*checks pockets for change*

Can I pretend to be one of your bags? I have inbuilt wheels.

Got a machinehead better than the rest
Green to red machinehead

Now they (appear to - Legal Ed) have started using Autotune as well as scripting the whole thing the very last little speck of point has disappeared.

It's not that I judge people who watch X Factor. It's just that I judge them.

And I am left wanting.

I noticed this too.

I was rather shocked.

Well, that's that discussed then.. phew... we definitely exhausted that topic! Roll on next years X Factor, that's what I say.

Mods: I see no need to have this thread open any more so feel free to lock it/delete it/recycle it.

I though that was the point.

From raw talent to pure pop polished product.

Autotune and tools like that have been around for fucking years, and used by everyone.

I remember being in a recording studio with a tech who spent 2 hours synching drum beats on recording so it was uniform. All bands use it. Fucking dull 2 hours as well.

I know it's used on records, but they've started using it on the auditions this year.

What the hell did she do to walking on sunshine?

What made her think she could rewrite it better...urgggh.

Not all bands. If someone did that to my drumming, I'd be absolutely livid. I very much doubt I'm alone in this. Similary I imagine some vocalists would not be keen on having their vocals 'corrected'.

Manufactured Pop Pap may be a different matter. But there's reasons why I don't listen to that.

Hmm I just thought she had a wierd warble going on. Didnt see the show, just what jc posted

FWIW, software such as logic protools etc have drum correction built in these days and its no longer labourious.
I dont see the problem with it in terms of drums but its more subjective correcting vocals.

holy shit i just watched this
fucking helll they all sound like t pain and cher....
this is wrong.

http://watchwithmothers.net/2010/08/22/ ... ne-deceit/

wtf are they doing!?
thats so crudely applied jesus christ.

dont get me wrong I enjoy xfactor with some popcorn and the mrs if we fancy aquiet sat night on the sofa and some lols, but this just made it lose any last shred of credibility. WIth the loss of holly willoughby in favour of konnie huq-off I might boycott completely.

lol comical.

Yeah bring back Holly "70s porn a like" Willoughby

Watched the first video. Ugh.

I really hate Autotune. Theory says it aids a singer's performance. (Which is especially why it shouldn't be used on X-Factor, it claims to be about natural talent FFS.) Practice shows that it is in fact used to turn every song into a carbon copy of Cher's 'I Believe in Life After Love'.

I knew that something evil was happening with that song when it came out. Hearing it at Top Banana cheese night week after week at Warwick Uni, I just knew. I didn't know much else at the time, being then a clueless oaf, but I knew that much.

If you want to remove the subtlety and nuance of a drummers performance and replace it with a robotic feel then yes it's fine.

I don't.

The difference between drummers and drum machines: With drum machines the instructions only have to be punched in the once.

Don't want to burst your bubble here, but the vast majority of ALL commercially produced music - including all forms of rock from indie to goatsacrificingblackmetal - have drum correction and that's been the case since the late 90s.

At the end of the day - autotune is just an effect for the instrument known as the human voice no different to putting your guitar through an effect like a distortion pedal to change the original sound. If, like me, you're personally not keen on the sound autotune makes then that's fine - but to consider using it to be "cheating" or that it somehow means the artist is less artistically authentic is just silly - it's no different to any other form of effect in pre or post production that changes the sound of an instrument.

It's the same video mate haha.

TBH it was more of just how lovely she is that made me

I didn't realise they were using Auto Tune so I had no idea what it was. It did explain why at times they sounded like they were singing through a vocoder though, and I can't say I am overly happy about it tbh.

See also: Why I have little time for modern studio stuff with a couple of exceptions (And of the two main ones, one I am absolutely sure has no drum correction).


Yes, one that makes it sound not human, and so delivering less impact. And one designed to allow people who can't sing well to sing anyway. The moment you start using effects as a crutch for your ability to sing... is similar to your ability to run well while on using a crutch.

JC look on YouTube for autotune the news. That'll teach you all you need to know about autotuning.

Anyway... just watched the first episode. Very funny.

The best stuff about the early episodes isn't the auditions so much as the stuff going on between the judges, which was hilarious.

I X Factor!

A lot of singers use auto tune, but not everyone ever. It's very widespread because it means you don't have to be good at singing the right pitch. Some people pride themselves in their ability to sing and have no intention of using it. Same with drummers etc. etc.

I think thats a bit black and white really, for a commercial release on a major label its probably typical to actually want the beat in time.
Im all for letting the drummer just play but if there is a part that is slowing down or something or a beat missed on an otherwise good take its sometimes extremely useful.
I dont think it should be used as a matter of course, or to replace talent.
Im lucky as my drummer can play very well to a click and for the recent demos we have done, while not drum machine perfect its good enough.
but like i say, the perfectionist in someone might make them want to quantize some stuff and make sure its all as good as can be, especially for a release.

There is absolutely no excuse for autotuning auditions on xfactor however.

Disagree.
Pitch correction is not simply a textural or ambient effect, and in the application in case here (live audition tapes) its simply deceiving the general public.

who are they

The point isnt "Oh everyone does it" the point is. It's a singing competition, they shouldn't already be autotuning the people, they will as someone else pointed out, all end up sounding like cher and T-pain.

And when I recorded stuff on drums we didnt do anything fancy, the guy just if there was a mistake re-recorded over that bit so it sounded right, but no fancy computery stuff.

I think the point is that it's NOT a singing competition. The auto tune thing makes that even more obvious.

yeah but still, its whack.

The problem with that is that you often get gaps or odd parts where cymbals suddenly start / stop when overdubbing drums, especially using analog tape
less of an issue on a workstation.

I don't see where the thought has arisen that absolutely perfectly in time with unchanging tempo is desirable. If you were to try to force a classical piece to use a click track there would be a lynch mob out after you. Perhaps we should just replace the conductor with a metronome if this wasn't so. Allowing the music to change speed naturally allows it to breathe, and any drummer worth their salt should be able to control rhythm in a pleasing way themselves without aid, whether that means keeping the tempo fairly constant or not.

I'm hardly alone in these thoughts. For Example, Mr Grohl: "I feel that people are relying too much on things like Pro Tools or Autotune for vocals and drums, and I'm a drummer! I miss hearing a song on the radio that speeds up in the chorus or has a mis-hit on a snare in the second verse. I miss all the things that made John Bonham, Keith Moon and Stewart Copeland some of the most memorable, influential drummers in history. It's a drag that people have become so concerned with perfection. I think it has something to do with the concern that something that isn't pristine and perfect isn't safe."


The one I'm sure doesn't use any correction is The drummer who currently plays with Ben Harper. Listen to Serve your Soul off the Both sides of the gun album and it's patently clear that no correction is being used. The only other new studio album I've bought in the last couple of years was the new Pearl Jam album. And they've been rather damning of using Pro Tools to correct a recording in the past.

interesting points.

Now I never watch X Factor, but it seems to get a lot of press (enough for me to notice at least) at the start of each season, people getting fired and then rehired and so on. Which to an outsider seems a little bit, erm, staged.

Is this auto-tune thing just an attempt to get press at the start of the series again?

Incidently, best drumming ever: Television's Marquee Moon. The bit mid-way through when it all fades to quiet and then the drums come back in with that precise, awesome, taut beat with bass. Makes me grin every time.

Given how poorly used it is, it's possible. The response is far too quick - it could sound far more natural and less in your face. Not completely natural, but better than what they're using.

Aye, overproduction is one of the things that's fucking up modern music. Prefect timing & an over reliance on compression makes perfect background music but does nothing to hold your interest.

A strange thing for an electronic music lover to say, but then if you look closer we still have the ability/tools to create a dynamic living & breathing piece of music.

Anyway.

I liked the girl dressed as Madonna. Not the strongest voice, but there was something about her I liked.


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I'm talking to myself, aren't I?

Was it her slender neck, that you'd like to throttle until the life drained out of her irritating whiny face?

Also, can JC be limited to one 'TBH' per thread?

Kaithxbai

But then how would we know that he's being honest?

But it sounds completely grating.

You may as well have a synth-o-voice speaking the lines that that god-awful warbling effect.

It implies his default position is "duplicitous"

Urgh, X-Factor!

*shivers*

I fail to see how anyone over the age of 12 with an IQ of 80+ would be treat this moronic, vapid, bullying-by-proxy-fest with anything other than the total, abject contempt and sheer hatred it deserves. Simon Cowell is firmly in the Gordon Ramsey premier league of 'most smackable twats' in my book.

*sigh*

There's always one.

X-Factor is brilliant, and intelligent, very funny and clever. And has hot women on it. And some people singing (a lot of whom are rubbish, but amusingly so).

People who dismiss it out of hand are fools. FOOLS I TELL YOU!

Two.

Three. Indeed, we could keep going