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The father of an ex of mine showed me his defrag report once.

I am the furthest from brainwashed you can get. The simple fact is that I was a PC gamer for over 10 years, who simply got fed up of buying a brand new PC's worth of innards every 6 months to be able to play games. My Speccy lasted 8+ years of use, my Amiga even longer. And neither required me to spend the cost of them again on add-ons.

You're entitled to your opinion on the whole PC-console matter, but by fucking christ that stinks so much of finger pointing of "why PC gaming is dying".

Not being funny but how many people come running along to preach to me about how shit PC gaming is and to get a 360?

Like, seriously. Think about all the times I have had people trying to drum that into me.

Has their scheme worked? Fuck aye, I think so !

I wouldn't even mind, but the 'dog with a bone' obsessiveness console owners suffer from, with the delusions spell out to me just how well m$ have brainwashed console owners. I don't ever see PC gamers carrying on like that. I've only ever given my reasons for preferring PC games when grilled about getting a 360.

Dude, Chinny hasn't even got a post 2002 console

XBox games are better than PC games as you're sat in the living room with a big telly and the kitchen is nearby so you don't have to walk down teh stairs to get MOAR BEER and you can look out teh front window to see if the wife's coming home and you're meant to have done stuff.

PC games are a ballache of epic proportions getting the settings correct to run something at a reasonable frame rate, patch after patch and massive HDD space required, played in the spare room, miles from the kitchen and with no warning of the wife returning, unless the windows are open to hear the car, then the neighbours can hear you playing video fucking games, which you can't even play with your mates when they are around due to the interface.

To sumamrise:

San Dimas High school football rules!

John are you wanting an Xbox Live sub code? I ordered an extra one and kept it back for ya

Hmm, lets think about this.

Console - Put DVD in machine, wait, play game in the comfort of your living room. Game just works at the expense of slightly lower quality graphics.

PC - Put DVD in machine, install, get refused as your spec doesn't match the requirements, order more memory, wait for delivery, install memory, swear at PC when you cut yourself on case, reboot, reinstall, wait 2 hours, activate game online, then load up game (having to put the DVD in the drive despite the fact you installed it).

Then find the game runs but the framerate is like a donkey running through treacle so you need a new GFX card.

All in the comfort of your desk.

Personally I can't see why all those people shun PC gaming in favour of consoles, oh no.

So, if I have a turd in one hand, and a diamond in the other, then I get a hundred people to come and tell you how brilliant the diamond is and how rubbish the turd is, you'll assume they're brainwashed and go for the turd?

I'm just sorting though my pre-2007 email to find any emails from Microsoft urging me to buy their console. Nope, can't find one. Maybe they embedded flashing nano-second subliminal images on other websites when they talked all website owners into doing that.

Er, Chinny - Some console games need installing nowadays, and almost all of them update when you first load them.

Not any of the ones Chinny plays

I have a PS2, somewhere. Think I leant it to the inlaws.

I might get a PC for gaming. Well I say a PC for gaming, a mini PC that just has emulators on.

And also you need to leave the DVD in the drive. The 360 is an annoying bag of crap at times, but is still clearly wildly better for the purpose of playing games on than a PC ever will be.

You do know that I could barely tell you what a PS3 looks like don't you?

Are you sure it's not that it's easier to develop for a console because you don't need to worry about hardware incompatibilities rather than some huge conspiracy? I mean of course Xbox want people to make games for their console so they can maximise their profits, but at the same time it's in Microsoft's best interests that people keep making games that require Windows.

Is this a PS3?

Silent Hunter 2010 just got canned...

It's like that thing out of Space 2001 with the monkeys and the bones and stuff.

Maybe you should get one.
You remember how much you didn't want an iPhone and now you're gay for Steve Jobs?

Also, John, if you hate M$ so much, why do you persist in buying and using their god-awful OS on increasingly creaky agglomerations of hardware? Wouldn't it me more consistent to use, I dunno, OS X or Linux or something?

Actually, that's a good point (that I made). Why don't you get a 360 / PS3, Chinny? They you could play with us.

Yes, get a 360 Chinny!

I have a 360 and rarely play with you.

Did I mention my new computer?

I would like to say that this whole you have to buy a PC every 6 months to play games argument is utter tosh. I buy a new PC every 5 years or so and have had no problems with playing games at any point. If I have to turn down the settings on a newer game then I do so but I still enjoy playing the game.

You do not have to be running everything at full ultra resolutions with all the effects turned on to play a game.

The same principle applies with consoles, you don't have to buy a new one to enjoy the latest resolutions or effects because the developer simply turns them off for you.

So next year your console will be able to do 6000x5650 over triple monitors?

I've posted the serious downfalls to console gaming before. Oddly noone replied as it was a complete whitewash.

I'm still playing Fallout 3 because I have about 200 DLC at my disposal. All free, all awesome (Especially the vault 7x mod).

I know full well the differences between console games and PC games and their technical prowess. That's why I don't own a console. I don't need to repeatedly remind people of that because I don't feel the need. It seems console owners, however, do.

Why is that? Sure it's less hassle but then anyone who likes fucking around on computers actually enjoys those hassles.

PC gaming is like sex when you're married. It doesn't happen very often but when it does it's better than anything, ever.

BTW, how good is the NeoTokyo mod for Half Life 2? oh wait....

I can sell you some special sunglasses that let you see the truth, but I warn you once you do there's no going back.

Nah, the devs behind Linux had a massive meeting and got the games developers to write games for the Gizmondo. Killed the Linux gaming community, that did.

Hah, I love that film

Possibly one day soon. But I'm not having you groom me on one of those audio chat things.

To be fair, everything most people have said in this thread about PC gaming is utter tosh, so far.

If you chose the 360? sure. Because it's a turd.

Because PC games are released on m$ winblows. Sad but true. I have installed Linux many times in all different flavours and, owned macs (I did $2000 on one of those lampshade all in ones once) and whilst both are fucking great they both suffer with the "ooo ! let's play this game or load up that software... oh fuck, doesn't work here" syndrome.

I disagree.

Lack of choice (have you looked in Game recently, you are looking at a selection on-par with the Speccy/C64 in 1992).

Fiddly to install.

Many games require ridiculous hardware specs.

The PC is often located away from a living room whereas your console will be in a living room and hooked up to a PC.

Classified.

It's got a 40 Gig hard drive...

The point is, everyone understands that PC gaming is better than console gaming in some respects, and that console gaming is better than PC gaming in others. To claim that the success of console gaming is down to some secret Microsoft brainwashing conspiracy (and by inference, that all of us are gullible morons) is quite clearly nonsense.

No one wnats to know about my new computer, do they?

What Craster said. I'd never even consider playing an RTS or MMO on a console.

But that's true of all PCs, no matter what the OS. You're continually going to be challenged by lack of some upgrade, hardware or software. That's why I have a console - it's a consistent thing, press the button and it does shit. I certainly wouldn't put up with Windows just for the privilege of playing games at my desk (when I want to play them on the sofa anyway).
Life's too short mate.

When was the last time you gamed on a PC dude, seriously?

Hardware development has slowed. Even hardware manus are getting seriously caught out now. Basically ATI released the Radeon 5870 last week after so much hyperbole you needed a hefty dose of sodium chloride to take it in. However, when released it was quickly discovered that it costs as much as a Geforce 295 and... Isn't as fucking fast. haha !

And the 295 has been around how long now? more than a year?

I brought my 280 a while ago now. It's been around for about a year and a half (if not more) and can and will run everything you throw at it on max. And, from the previews I have seen and read for the next entire year I know I am very well covered, simply as all the new games coming use existing engines (because of how superior they are).

My E4500 Core 2 was a budget chip in 2006. It still runs everything you could throw at it (though not on max settings but those are for idiots like me any way).

Three years is the expectancy now. Hardware manus are simply releasing new hardware as a cash in to lure people in. Funny part is it's nothing more than what was already out there with a new name and a higher clock speed.

Aye, in my eyes that's the one advantage PC games have over consoles (well, that & Defcon ), better resolutions & stuff thankfully don't really do it for me. Otherwise I wouldn't spend as much time as I do playing old games on emulators

Games that require windows.

Silent Hunter being a submarine simulat-(never mind - Ed)

Agreed, Wullie. However, it's not an unsurmountable technical issue for the latest generation of consoles, either. I'd expect there to be a real focus on ability to distribute user-generated content in the next generation.

But who is going to generate that content if everyone has a console and no gaming pc?

Malc

That's not how it works though, you never let the truth get in the way of a good the same old argument

I'M GETTING A NEW PC TODAY!

She has to wear that claw, otherwise she'd float away.

Malc

Rubbish. 91 pages of "coming soon" games for the PC on Amazon. 86 for PS3, 92 for 360 and 100 for the Wii. So, you know, not much in it.


Rubbish. I can't remember the last time I had any trouble with a PC game. Put game in, choose 'install', wait, play. Much the same as a PS3, to be honest.


Rubbish. 99% of games actually allow you to scale things down so they will run. You can't play Xbox 360 games on an Xbox, can you?


Rubbish. You can set things up in your house how you like. Myp's 360 is in his spare bedroom, for example. My PC is in my living room, and can use my TV as a forth monitor. That way I can play awesome MAME games with my 360 controller, on my PC.


I work for Dick Jones! DICK JONES!

I went though all this a little while ago. I don't game enough to warrant buying a console. The PC has more than enough titles to keep me gaming. That's aside from all the other options I have on it (emulation anyone?).

I also have an enormous back catalogue of old games which all work on the PC. GOG? shit, I own most of what they sell lol.

Thing is, when a killer app is released on the PC it really is just that. When was the last time a console had a killer app? And if you say Halo 3 I will shoot you

What it comes down to is a case of each to their own. I fully understand and accept that philosophy. However, I have duly noticed how console owners are like Jehovahs witnesses and just want to continually go on and on and on about getting one and why it's better than a PC.

Fact is, of course, it's not better than PC gaming in any way . Well, at least not techincally where console game's gameplay actually sufffers sometimes due to it's inferiority (and yes I have pointed this all out, it seemed to be very calming because noone argued it when I laid out the facts).

The only thing console gaming has on it's side is ease of use. And PC gaming, trust me, is a lot less hassle than console owners think. It's 20 mins before you start playing in most cases (securom etc aside but that's easily side stepped).

Since when did this come down to "which is better"? The original argument was "Microsoft organised developers to not develop for the PC".