Be Excellent To Each Other

Another day gone, it's time to come out again.
A quick head count reveals that The Rev Owen isn't with you - looks like the GhostBusters have been busy.
The Rev Owen was a Ghost.

Night 3 ends at midday tomorrow (Friday).
With 16 players alive, 9 votes are required for a lynch, and 12 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

[playerlist]
Bobbyaro
Cpt_Droman
Craster
GazChap
Joans
Kalmar
KovacsC
Malc
Mimi
Mr Chris
Mr Dave
Mr Dom
Mr Russell
Myp
Runcle
zaphod79
[/playerlist]

Can we assume he was a ghost then?

So...who was the Rev?


Oh, and I've realised my comment at the end of the last thread seems a little apropos of nothing - it was at myp, because he managed to post in the locked thread, unlocking it in the process.

Hey Grim... That's cheating.

Yeah, I quoted someone without reading to the end of the thread. I deleted my comment as I realised I shouldn't have been able to post. I didn't realise it unlocked the thread, though.

Cretin.

Standing for mod again, are we?
*makes notes*

Anyway sorry for my lack of posting, I was off spooking people in faraway (for me) parts of the country. Hopefully I'll be around a bit more (today at least).

So, 4 down, 4 ghosts. Not good.
But what does this mean happened on the first night? Did Slimer roleblock one of the GBs, and tried to risk getting more info last night?

I've posted in loads of locked threads before and they've never unlocked. Don't know what happened there.

Hmm... interesting. So now we're in a quandary - either Slimer roleblocked someone else last night OR the Ghostbusters decided not to bust on the first night.

What was the comment you posted in the thread, myp?

If you post with quick-reply, they won't unlock. Because you quoted, you posted with the big reply box.
Er... Carry on...

I just explained to Bobby why I said humans are good and ghosts are bad. In a traditional right/wrong sense, not the set of morals to which I personally ascribe.

Whooooooooooooooooooooo are we going after today?

I cannot see why Slimer would roleblock anyone but the person he already knew was a ghostbuster from the first night if he had struck lucky on the first night. Why would he? So does this mean that the GBs most likely did not act on the first night?

I am going to have a look back through yesterday and see who was championing the lynching of our two newly dead... Actually, I think Rev Owen was doing much of the campaigning for a lynch, wasn't he?

I can't think of any reason why Slimer would have changed his roleblock, which can only mean that they didn't act on the first night.

If that's the case, then I think it would be crassto suggest that the Ghostbusters were dim enough to let the first night timeout, so they've obviously got a game plan.

I think I am starting to suspect a couple of people, but I think it is just gut instinct more than consciously noticing any established pattern.

Oh bugger!
I was having serious suspicions about Rev Owen given how much he was pushing for the lynch, shows how good my instincts are.


Off topic: Can't be terribly active today, as I've had some bad stuff I need to deal with

Sorry to hear that Mr Dom. I Hope things improve soon x

OK. We've lost nobody important yet, but equally haven't managed to hang anyone useful.

Best case, Slimer blocked a GB on day 1 and then switched for some reason day 2. That means that Vigo has 2 valid investigations under his belt, and Slimer knows who one of the GBs is.
Worst case, Slimer blocked Vigo both days, and the GBs simply didn't do anything. Slimer knows nothing, and nor does Vigo.

Well, in your worst case there the GBs clearly have done something, they captured The Rev Owen. And I thought they were precious about religion! Nobody steps on a church in their town, after all.

Sorry - I meant the GBs didn't do anything night 1.

I find that very hard to believe - it just doesn't make any kind of tactical sense. Occam's Razor! Slimer must've switched. No idea why, though.

Well, yes. It doesn't make any sense for Slimer to switch, just as it doesn't make any sense for the GBs to not act on the first night.

So which out of those two is Occam's Razor?

The GBs would have known for sure that Slimer would target someone that first night, because there's even LESS tactical sense in not doing so. They couldn't possibly have known that Slimer would switch his roleblock on night 2 if they ran through with this plan.

Of course, if they did plan it then the GBs have just totally undone all of that by busting someone on night 2. Which makes even less sense.

My ethereal brain hurts.

I'm thinking that Slimer switching makes sense. He already knows who one of the ghostbusters is, and there'd only have been a 1 in 14 chance of them hitting him last night, so he might have risked finding out some more info.
If he feels it's too risky at any stage, then he could go back to blocking the original GB (unless we've lynched them in the meantime) and tell us all he knows if he looks in danger of a lynch.

To put it another way, there was a far greater chance of Slimer blocking another GB (2 in 15), then there was of them hitting him (1 in 14).

night, night everyone. Im guessing slimer did switch and used Joans idea, but its pretty risky how long can they do that for.

anyway looks like the coins dont work in this world, albino and rev owen were at the two extremes of 0 and 5 heads and both of them turned out good.

Why would Slimer think that a 2 in 15 shot of hitting another GB was worth the certain kill if he didn't?

I cannot see any reason at all why Slimer would switch who he was role-blocking, though. I cannot see what tacticl sense it would make for the GBs to go out busting on the first night, though, unless it was to cause confusion... which it definitely has.

See, we're in a bit of a quandry now. If the GBs to not make a kill again tonight we'll have no idea if that is because Slimer has re-targeted the same person as on the first night or if the GBs are trying to confused things further. If Slimer had made a roleclaim yesterday then the GBs would have known exactly who to go for and the ROLEBLOCK>BUST order that would have protected Silmer had he actually targeted a GB wouldn't have worked because he'd be roleblocking a non-GB and he would have been busted.

I had a look back through yesterday and it was actually A18!IV0I<ID that was calling for the roleblock, though.

Slimer is obviously an idiot.

no doubt, my moneys on mr russell.

Why would he certainly get killed? Do we know who Slimer is? Sorry I haven't really been around that much over the last two nights, but I don't know why it's a certain kill?

I think Craster means that Slimer would be an idiot if he thought a 2 in 15 chance of another successful roleblock is worth the GBs definitely killing someone for the other 13 out of 15.

Ah, fair enough. Although they could have hit a human, so that reduces the odds a bit.
Personally, I reckon it was a good risk, but most people seem to disagree.

I meant it would be certain that A N other good guy would be killed if Slimer didn't hit another GB.

If we didn't have Vigo to investigate every night I would agree, but with him available it makes far more sense for Slimer to continue roleblocking the Ghostbusters and let Vigo find the remaining ones.

Always the danger of the Zuuls finding each other and taking out one or the other, of course. The odds of Stay Puft turning up get better every night, although it could never happen just as easily.

I quite like the idea of Slimer roleblocking the GBs every night, while we possess every ghost out of the game and they win without doing anything

[Vote:Joans]
You'd only like that if you were a GB yourself.

sorry for not posting been in a meeting. 4 of us down. I have an idea now i think

whats the idea?

i think it is a thought process. I think the quiet ones are GBs.

Mmm. Hard to say. Slimer changing seems daft, but you can see reasons for it. Trying to find the others, and liking the odds of safety.
As for the GB, I don't see any reason for that, aside from confusion causing, but is that worth a night?

You can't really conclude one way or the other. But it's fair to say, Slimer needs to get his blocking shoes on fast.

(But he has no feet, I hear you cry)

Sod it, the poor Rev. Where does a possessed ghost go? I find it hard to believe Slimer would have changed their RB. Slimer must assume that they RB the GB on the first day, it makes no sense to change. I can only assume the GB looked at the odds and came up with a plan to get Slimer out of the way. If Slimer had role claimed last night he would be dead(er) now.

With respect to targets however. Two are sitting on my radar: Mr Dave and Kalmar. Mr Dave for his adamancy of removing 999*, and Kalmar because he has changed voted at the last minute two days running. Rev Owen was actually top, but I guess he is in the clear.

*as explained yesterday, but if anyone wants a recap, please ask.

If he'd been a bad guy, I would've looked awesome. Awesome, I say. (If Craster is a bad guy, I'm going to look considerably un-awesome)

999?

The Albin0 Kid. Sorry, I thought we had that running gag sorted.

Indeed, have you not seen 61654632's incompehensible gamertag?

@ Mr Dave, tbf it was fairly obvious he wasn't though. Although that did become more obvious after you had voted, which means people like Malc, Kalmar (again) and Cpt Droman are a bit more suss. Especially when they pop up with a "oh not read it" excuse, then vote.

Okay so no kill day 1 means that either they were blocked or chose not to kill on day 1

It could have been risky but it might have been the idea that we say that slimers got them blocked - out slimer and the 'chosen' GB and give them a big upper hand in the game

Or Slimer change their choice of Role block on day 2 (i cant see the thinking behind this) or they were distracted and let day 2 time out ?

Or (and i probably need to ask "God" about this) , Mr Staypuff was released on night 1 and the kill last night was his ? (I realise there was some editing of the start of the thread , but i assume because it says the GB's were busy that it was actually the GB's that killed him)

What it comes back to is we have :

3 GB's
1 Slimer
1 Vigo
1 Peck
2 Gatekeeper / Keymaster combo
8 Ghosts

So its actually down to 50 / 50 if we hit a 'special' in some way or not this time round , the GB's are still outnumbered and the chance of the Gatekeeper/keymaster finding each other is getting more and more

I know 4781n0 was gunning for Craster , although just because he turned out to be a ghost doesnt mean that his target was automatically a baddie , Kovacs seems to have calmed down a lot , and i'm really stuck for who is doing anything shifty

At this point we should at least have some clues - i'm going to go back through the first two days to see who voted for the departed ghosts.

Mr Dave was wrong. (And I didn't think it was obvious, in hindsight, I still can't. What am I missing?)

Maybe I am just viewing with hindsight, but the comments like (for example), "I am resisting making a false claim to save myself." A GB would have false claimed. Only a ghost would have died without fighting it because a false claim would have damaged the ghosts more than the GB, or even the SK.

An interesting thought , if your a GB and the writing is on the wall you know anything you say and have said is going to be known when your offed and having a false claim doesnt really hinder you.

However we also need to understand that a claim for Slimer or Vigo should still make us think about the consequences and having that 'one last night' (there was a game a while ago where someone claimed to be a power role and then wasnt targetted because both enemy sides thought they other would take them out)

Well I have read through both nights, and much as it pains me to say it, I feel that I agree with 8675309 and Mr Craster is quite, quite suspect.
[vote: Craster]