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 Post subject: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 20:15 
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WOFFLY PREAMBLE:

Assassins Creed was, like Ubi's new-PoP, a game with somewhat simplistic and repetitive mechanics wrapped in a FUCKING BEAUTIFULLY REALISED WORLD.

I've gone on about it before, but Tolkien talked about how literature could also be about subcreation. Where the world building was as important as the story.

To a certain extent this is true for games. I forgave the large 'game mechanics' sins of GTA IV, Bioshock, new-PoP and AC because of the world they managed to create, in the same way I forgave tolkiens rather heavy handed plot, in the face of his hugely realised world.

THE (very slender cut of) MEAT:

So bearing in mind that despite it's flaws AC gave me a brilliantly realised MIDDLE EAST DURING THE FUCKING CRUSADES to run around in the more I'm excited about AC2. Hell the more I think about them making a huge, ethically ambiguous game set in the middle east with Christianity and Islam at war which then that they released it to a mainstream audience the more fondly I look back at AC.

So I'm VERY EXCITED that this

TEASER SITE

Seems to back up the rumours that AC2 is set in RENAISSANCE VENICE (i.e. Lots of Da Vinci Sketches)

So, a computer game that doesn't feature space marines in the space future fighting space aliens, but features RENAISSANCE ITALIANS IN THE THE FUCKING RENAISSANCE BEING POLYMATHS.

Fucking hell, the game mechanics could be stolen from a Popstation for all I care if we are getting a high art budget game set DURING THE FUCKING RENAISSANCE.

FUCKING HOPES.

Also: My viewing of the trailer is limited by my old laptop, so if people have spotted something when they are watching it at above 2 FPS let us know kthnxbye.

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 20:18 
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I still keep replaying Assassin's Creed. Loved the bits off it.

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 20:20 
I would like this game muchly


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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 20:25 
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Dimrill wrote:
I still keep replaying Assassin's Creed. Loved the bits off it.


Aye, I realised I wouldn't put it up on Goozex because I can't give up having a well realised version of the crusades sitting on my shelf.

Also, I actually quite liked the sci-fi plot...
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Thanks to that Aliens Confidential Disk set I had as a kid, that you so kindly returned to me, I found the blood writing at the end to be really quite awesome - as a kind of my-childhood-fan-wank


Apparently the teaser site has other stuff hidden in it, but my old iBook can't play. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 20:39 
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Also, spouted more fluffy pretnentious gubbins over on Penny Aracde, so I'll post it here too. Kinda saying the same thing. Spoiling for brevity.

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As an experience I look back fondly on AC.

Certain games can survive their poor mechanics by successfully creating a realised world to explore. GTA IV, the new-PoP and Bioshock are all games which as games crumble and fall as awful broken things, but the world (not plot, world) they create is so real and interesting that I can't help to love exploring it.

Games can do two things that other media can't. One is create wonderfully exciting mechanisms to be played with. (For example Outrun 2 being nothing but a sliding round corner game, and Rhythm Tengoku being nothing but connecting a switch, and both being better for it)

The second is creating worlds that can be explored which are liberated from a narrative. The satire of GTA's fake adverts and, hell, culture to my mind are the first examples of social commentary and reflection which can be freed from the need to tell a story.

And sure, Assassin's Creed wasn't a classic that managed to combine the two sides, because it's mechanics are broken (aka hold 'a' and forward -> complete game) but fuck me did it give me an amazing world to explore.

Instead of Space Marines invading Space Aliens in Space it's given us the fucking crusades.

And now it's giving us the fucking Renaissance?

I'm interested even if the actual 'game' part is still as broken.

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 20:55 
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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 20:58 
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I said it before, I'll say it again: Victorian London Assassin's Creed plz.

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 22:56 
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I said it before, I'll say it again: Victorian London Assassin's Creed plz.


Fuck yes.

With Jack the Ripper conspiracies too please.

For all the poo-poo'ing of the sci-fi guff, if it lets them have lots of exciting historical settings whilst pretending there is an ongoing slot then I AGREE VERY MUCHLY.

Seriously, if before AC1 someone asked me to name three historical settings to have games set in, I would have said the renaissance, the crusades and Victorian britain.

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 23:13 
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Exactly. You could be responsible for ending his spree, for instance. The three cities could be London, Paris and Diss.

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 23:35 
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Imagine someone taking the time to make a perfectly rendered model of Diss....


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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 0:04 
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So basically, Spring-Heeled Jack: the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:52 
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I fucking hated Assassin's Creed, despite trying really desperately to love it. The whole premise was just so laughable. The game world, despite being gorgeous (and set in a time and era which is woefully under-represented in gaming) was one of the least believable and authentic worlds EVAR. (Examples: the 10 million park benches where you could flummox guards by the cunning ploy of HAVING A GOOD SIT, and the endless identical towers, each with a pile of hay conveniently sitting next door.)

The 'hold up to climb' controls are designed to make people think that they're doing something really clever and skillful, and the game never manages to recover once you see through this facade, which usually happens around 30 minutes after booting the thing up for the first time. And I honestly don't want to start thinking about the fighting mechanics, as we've already had one earthquake today.

And there's yet more moaning! What about those tedious walky around bits inbetween the cities where everyone stabs you in the face if you dare hover over 0.05mph, eh? Thank god you didn't have to do them again after a while, or else I would have given up on the game long before I got the chance to do everything I'd already done in the first hour or play over and over again.

In AC's defence, it had some very good ideas, but it was a game where the people at the bottom of the developmental chain did their jobs perfectly, only to be let down by the incompetence of the creative directors. The one thing I'll say is that I'm really, really up for AC2, which is amazing considering how much I *despised* the first game. That says something positive about Assassin's Creed, at least. It was about one tenth of the best game ever, like GTA III would be if it didn't have cars or guns, and every mission was the same as the last.


Sorry if that doesn't scan very well, but it's a bit late and I'm having trouble sleeping. Next week's insomnia-fueled rant: why No More Heroes is also FUCKING SHIT.


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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 20:00 
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AC to be released as WiiWare...

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:32 
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AssCreed was beautiful and, for about ten minutes, amazing.

It was repetitive as hell though but I enjoyed playing through it (grindy flags achv was an other matter). Much better than PoP in my opinion.

Am very stoked about AC2.

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
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I liked it. The only thing that really annoyed me was just how quickly the voices started to repeat.

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:37 
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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:46 
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1st city - Good

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
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AC2 info:

http://kotaku.com/5206809/meet-assassin ... w-assassin

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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
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its shit though because the 3rd one they make theres no way to make a hoody look good as that. the original was pretty good, the new one looks like diors latest fashion and the last is either going to be sponsred by gio goi or what ever that lass in mirrors edge was wearing which was probablu gio goi. Im hoping the 3rd is a orange prison suit though, with your arms tied together so if you fuck up a jump its a face right into a wall. Or maybe they strip you and give you a 5 minute head start and you have to escape a pack of rocket powered wolves ctarfved for 10 days. Might be a good start.

yes I am drunk. but ive made games there that wont happen and you will hate they wont happen and stuff and I am really good because yeah assasins creed was samey as fuck but good and stuff. 1, 2, 3 paper, I win I knew you'd pick rock.


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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:18 
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 Post subject: Re: Assassins Creed 2: Live Creed or Assassin Hard
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:28 
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its shit though because the 3rd one they make theres no way to make a hoody look good as that. the original was pretty good, the new one looks like diors latest fashion and the last is either going to be sponsred by gio goi or what ever that lass in mirrors edge was wearing which was probablu gio goi. Im hoping the 3rd is a orange prison suit though, with your arms tied together so if you fuck up a jump its a face right into a wall. Or maybe they strip you and give you a 5 minute head start and you have to escape a pack of rocket powered wolves ctarfved for 10 days. Might be a good start.


Im pretty sure this would be a GotY for sure


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Ubisoft saying it'll be released "this holiday period", so de-yank that and it means "just before christmas"

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