Be Excellent To Each Other

good tactic

[vote:curiosity]

Not when we have masons, it isn't.

Someone's building a wall? Has their been a breach?

I assumed because he'd be too worried about hitting an alien by mistake.

I see your point, but we all still have 4.4 hours to retract a vote and whoever we vote for (and it's only one) could be unlucky. We seem to be awful at even getting lucky with our vote on day one.

Yeah, I just mean that you put people under pressure to see if you get a reaction from people defending them. The disadvantage to us of having masons is that we have no idea whether someone being defended is part of a good team or a bad team.

Well, the odds are against getting a baddie, but it's fair to say that there are quite a few baddies, between the aliens and the company.

I think kalmar is supicious, but since I have, for reasons nobody has yet explained, apparently become suspicious, I will [vote:Runcle]

It gets that persons reaction too and can provoke role claims.

True nuff.

A strangely calm reaction from Curio though...

Well he's hardly on deaths door with only three? votes to Runcles 9 now.

VOTE UPDATE

craster: 2 (Mr Dave, Bobbyaro)
curiosity: 4 (DavPaz, Runcle, kalmar, Goddess Jasmine)
runcle: 8 (Grim..., Curiosity, Mr Dom, Terimahkaseh, zaphod79, Craster, Morte, The Rev Owen)

Not voted: 5 (cpt_droman, gazchap, joans, mr russell, superdupergill)

With 19 players alive, 10 votes are required for a lynch, and 14 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/

I obviously can't count sorry.

Also a possibility, but I was thinking Alien would be more likely, as they want to get rid of everyone else. The company should be more careful (if I understand the rules correctly) so this tactic would seem riskier.

I'm not sure from this that Runcle is bad, that's all. Coin-flipping is common in such tense situations, I believe

Still, looks like he's for the chop at the moment!

True, but it's all a bit random on day 1 anyway, and there is always the chance that Runcle is trying a cunning double bluff. Unlikely, but possible. We have to check these things
With any luck the marines may find something interesting tonight...

I said yeterday earlier that I agreed with (or saw the sense in) the chain of thought that Runcle may be bad and trying to hide it with his coins. However, I am also naturally reluctant to allow a bandwagon to get rid of someone on day one without putting someone else up as well. Reactions of the person being voted for aren't the only ones of interest.
So, in the interests of information gathering and since he already has a few votes [vote:Curiosity]

I was expecting to be lynched after getting back from some work and now I'm not the only one being voted for. Seems like I do more good for myself if I shut up.

Technically I should be trying to survive as that is my win condition, but I also want the colony and marines to win so I really don't mind being lynched for that reason as I've no powers so we won't lose any of the good players. You don't learn much from the first day anyway and me dying mines all the good power roles will be active tonight.

Well, no, he didn't. You overreacted.

Well I don't think you should be voted for just yet, I'd like to see this play out a little longer first.

Yeah we have plenty time and hopefully we'll hear from a couple of the quieter people before anything happens. It is probably in the baddy best interests to be keeping quie right now since there are two people up with one near the limit so I'd rather the day lasted a bit longer so as tomorrow we bad a clear idea of who wasn't contributing when a bandwagon scenarion was going on.

I can't imagine Runcle is going to put himself so clearly on the firing line if he's a baddie.

It could be a hilarious double bluff, but I find the odds of this really quite unlikely.

I'm going to go with [vote:Curiosity] to try and make it a bit more even, votes-wise and see if we can get a confrontation going.

How did he put himself in the firing line?

I'm trying to figure out what Curios overreaction was in aid of. It's hardly cast iron proof of anything.

Yet you believe that I will, by reacting to his post as I did? How peculiar.

And it wasn't an overreaction to see myself as the only person on 5 'Heads' and say we should go for the person on 0, it was common sense. The first day is a crapshoot, and had I not said anything I might have already been sent outside.

And I don't want to go outside. It's cold and I've forgotten my gloves.

If the self-sacrifice helps your team then it is playing to your win condition anyway.

Playing to survive at all costs can often be at the expense of your team (I think this has happened on another planet...). And you only win if your team wins.

Anyway, that is very noble of you, so thanks, if it turns out to be true

Someone needs to read the Primary Win Conditions.

Surely the DACs are all about self preservation? Balls to the 'team'

Fair point!

Well, it was, as this isn't your first game, so you should know that very few people will vote on the basis of the coins (See: how many people voted for Kalmar) To panic about them, and then vote on them was not a reaction I'd expect.

Actually I've found that a lot of people pay attention to the coins. Particularly on day one, presumably on a "nothing else to go on" basis. This is why I think they are dangerous, because people pay attention to them when Runcle could easily be a bad guy.

You can borrow mine if you like. medium size with a bit of string up the sleeves. i'm going to wait untill after 2ish before i decide, although i am leaning more toward one person.

Last time, Grim... randomly picked Squirt and he was sent out almost immediately. Were someone to get railroaded (as someone inevitably will), then the chances were far higher of it being me or Kalmar, since Runcle had suggested us as possible targets.

So I had to say something. People didn't vote for almar as they thought my move looked scummy.

I heartily doubt you're a DAC, Mr Dave. If you were you might be more familiar with their win condition. I'm trying not to die.

Then it's fitting that he is the one up against Curio.

Hang on, these gloves have holes in them... FROM YOUR BIG ALIEN CLAWS!!!!!

By "doing the coins" even though no-one really puts much stock in them, then making references to the fact that he only does the coins when he's a goodie.

I dunno, maybe it's just me, but when someone says something like that I immediately think they're bluffing. The voting pattern seems to indicate that it's not just me.

I was bluffing.

I didn't say that I believed you were putting yourself in the firing line.

I just wanted to even the odds a bit to see if there's a possible confrontation coming on.

Interesting response...

Oh, I know the win conditions, all right. I made sure to get them clarified when the rules were being rewritten.
Note also: I haven't voted for you.

So is anyone else going to stick some votes in, in the interest of levelling things out between the two contenders? I don't really want to see a decisive vote yet since we have a couple of hours but possibly if we could get it to neck and neck it might become more interesting.

3 people with a vote registered, AFAICT

Neck and neck at 8 votes makes it rather likely that any given bad guy team can tip the wrong person over the edge.

Only if they've not already voted. And what do they care if neither of them is on their team?

That's why I think we've got, out of Curio and Runcle, a good guy and a bad guy. There's too much interest in not just going ahead and lynching someone, considering it's day one.

Don't forget we're fresh out of another 'situation' though, people will want to be more cautious this time around. It's different when we haven't played for a while and there's a rush for some action.

I don't disagree that what you are saying may also be true though.

What is the deadline for voting?

5pm.

I'm not so sure. Perhaps everyone should join Me and Bobby

I'm thinking that saying, essentially, "The coins are to be trusted, but vote for the other guy, I am" was particulary daft. I'm not sure if it's the kind of daftness that indicates being evil.

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