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I think our biggest concerns are potentially evil willow, oz (defo a werewolf, surely that's not in question) and Jonathan. Unless there are any other vampires around. I'm pretty certain kovacs must be Jonathan because he must be lying about that role. I would vote for either Gazchap or kovacs. I would prefer we gave willow one more night and let me try to hook up with her. If she is evil, I might be able to help.

sdg wrote:

Want to just confirm that role claim there?!

KovacsC wrote:

GazChap wrote:

I really can't see why the writer woman would be in the game, unless she had a cameo in the show as herself or something. So a big FOS to KovacsC for that.

Unless she is in the game, and can change rules (i.e. rewrite the story) as she goes along?!

I am just a hot School Girl... who has tried to hook up but keeps failing.

And now I'm suss about Kov since you're also confirmed:

a) not to be a school girl.
b) not hot.

sdg wrote:

How can you help with Willow, sdg?

I severely doubt that Tara can save Willow.

I expect that A N Other vampire exists.

Given no attacks on Malc's character, I think we can assume him to be Giles (at least at the moment).

Kov, Sat and Gaz are the top of my list, but I wanna go for Willow first, as it's the only kill role we have no defence against.

There can only be one turned vampire so far. If werewolves can turn people too then we're in trouble (and should kill Gaz).

We have a mostly known badly, vs stabbing the dark. I agree we should stop willow, but we don't know who willow is. We do know someone claiming to be someone who is known to be werewolf.

Malc

So far my hookups:

Night 1: Hooked up with nickachu, but this failed for unknown reasons - I couldn't remember anything and felt violated.
Night 2: Saturnalian. Failed because someone fucked it up (perhaps they got there first?) but for some reason I was told they were Willow.
Night 3: DavPaz. This also failed, but again I don't know why, same as night 1. If someone's protecting me for some reason (see the note about killing Oz even though I'm not dead) does that mean protection stops hookups?!

I'm trying to think who you're roleclaiming as, because it sounds like Cordelia, but Nickachu just claimed as her as well (I think).

So now we have two Cordelia role claims?

What does that mean in terms of good / bad / any future effect to the good guys?

@tff-I assumed that I was just blocked :shrug:

can't have been me causing willow crazy as I went for silentelk and trooper. With no success.

I missed out hooking up one day.

In that case then can't we kill gaz tonight. Then tomorrow before willow gets bored kill her off then?

Since the willow killings don't happen immediately?

Xander chose his revenge being Oz having to pretend to be a vampire by mentioning it being sunny and he didn't like it. Weird revenge, but I don't get to choose the wishes.

"Willow, I miss you. Come back to me.
Love, Xander.
PS. It's awfully Sunny today, no?"

Remember, Gaz might not be in control of himself. I really hope he doesn't choose to target anyone.

Curiosity wrote:

Remember, Gaz might not be in control of himself. I really hope he doesn't choose to target anyone.

I only choose to target who to hook up with, and so far that doesn't seem to have led to any deaths so if it IS me doing these killings and not A.N. Other bad person, then it's definitely not something I'm controlling.

Author:	sdg [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:09 ]
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I think our biggest concerns are potentially evil willow, oz (defo a werewolf, surely that's not in question) and Jonathan. Unless there are any other vampires around. I'm pretty certain kovacs must be Jonathan because he must be lying about that role. I would vote for either Gazchap or kovacs. I would prefer we gave willow one more night and let me try to hook up with her. If she is evil, I might be able to help.

Author:	TheFireFaerie [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:10 ]
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sdg wrote: I think our biggest concerns are potentially evil willow, oz (defo a werewolf, surely that's not in question) and Jonathan. Unless there are any other vampires around. I'm pretty certain kovacs must be Jonathan because he must be lying about that role. I would vote for either Gazchap or kovacs. I would prefer we gave willow one more night and let me try to hook up with her. If she is evil, I might be able to help. Want to just confirm that role claim there?!

Author:	sdg [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:13 ]
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TheFireFaerie wrote: sdg wrote: I think our biggest concerns are potentially evil willow, oz (defo a werewolf, surely that's not in question) and Jonathan. Unless there are any other vampires around. I'm pretty certain kovacs must be Jonathan because he must be lying about that role. I would vote for either Gazchap or kovacs. I would prefer we gave willow one more night and let me try to hook up with her. If she is evil, I might be able to help. Want to just confirm that role claim there?! I've been role claiming the whole game, I even stuttered on day one! Although maybe saturnalian isn't willow cos he totally slagged me off on day one and said he didn't fancy me

Author:	GazChap [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:13 ]
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sdg wrote: I think our biggest concerns are potentially evil willow, oz (defo a werewolf, surely that's not in question) and Jonathan. Unless there are any other vampires around. I'm pretty certain kovacs must be Jonathan because he must be lying about that role. I would vote for either Gazchap or kovacs. I would prefer we gave willow one more night and let me try to hook up with her. If she is evil, I might be able to help. How can you help with Willow, sdg?

Author:	KovacsC [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:14 ]
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Saturnalian wrote: KovacsC wrote: GazChap wrote: I really can't see why the writer woman would be in the game, unless she had a cameo in the show as herself or something. So a big FOS to KovacsC for that. Unless she is in the game, and can change rules (i.e. rewrite the story) as she goes along?! I am just a hot School Girl... who has tried to hook up but keeps failing. And now I'm suss about Kov since you're also confirmed: a) not to be a school girl. b) not hot. Look Willow.... I am going of the text I was given... I have not gone an googled stuff for meta data!

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Author:	sdg [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:17 ]
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GazChap wrote: sdg wrote: I think our biggest concerns are potentially evil willow, oz (defo a werewolf, surely that's not in question) and Jonathan. Unless there are any other vampires around. I'm pretty certain kovacs must be Jonathan because he must be lying about that role. I would vote for either Gazchap or kovacs. I would prefer we gave willow one more night and let me try to hook up with her. If she is evil, I might be able to help. How can you help with Willow, sdg? Because I'm madly in love with her and have coveted her from afar and believe that the goddess meant us to be together but I can't work up the courage to go and talk to her? Although on a personal safety note, maybe we should put you in a cage before I get willows smell on me :/

Author:	Satsuma [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:17 ]
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Can I just do the maths here: 10 players of which: At least 3 are named as baddies - Jonathan (Unknown), Werewolf (GazChap, I mean, come on) and Evil Willow (Unknown). There's four names been mentioned as being baddies so it doesn't rule out a fourth baddie (Me, GazChap, Kov and TheVision) so there might be, say, 6 goodies There's two kill roles in play. If there's one death overnight and Willow kills during the day then tomorrow there'll be 4 baddies to 4 goodies if we don't kill a kill role today. So we need to definitely kill someone with a kill role to have an easy end for the goodies, right?

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:21 ]
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I severely doubt that Tara can save Willow. I expect that A N Other vampire exists. Given no attacks on Malc's character, I think we can assume him to be Giles (at least at the moment). Kov, Sat and Gaz are the top of my list, but I wanna go for Willow first, as it's the only kill role we have no defence against.

Author:	Malc [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:25 ]
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I would say go for the werewolf first. Gaz has claimed to be a character who is a werewolf. We only have his word that saturn is willow. Gaz is either a werewolf or pretending to be a werewolf. [vote:gazchap] Malc

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:29 ]
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3:3 in the vote. I'm keen to kill Sat, but would change to Gaz as a last resort if we were in danger of timing out.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:33 ]
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There can only be one turned vampire so far. If werewolves can turn people too then we're in trouble (and should kill Gaz).

Author:	Malc [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:40 ]
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We have a mostly known badly, vs stabbing the dark. I agree we should stop willow, but we don't know who willow is. We do know someone claiming to be someone who is known to be werewolf. Malc

Author:	nickachu [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:42 ]
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We should out gaz I think And Im not going to be super happy anymore now that my xander has gone No matter how many times I've tried to hook up with him unsuccessfully.

Author:	KovacsC [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:42 ]
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Malc wrote: We have a mostly known badly, vs stabbing the dark. I agree we should stop willow, but we don't know who willow is. We do know someone claiming to be someone who is known to be werewolf. Malc as I am not a Buffy geek... Was there any point that he was just normal? I have been given a name which is important to the show but not in the show... just asking

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:46 ]
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I think we're quite close to a point where a mass-roleclaim could drive out the last bad people. I'm not suggesting doing it right away, before anyone gets all stabby.

Author:	Satsuma [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:49 ]
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GazChap wrote: So far my hookups: Night 1: Hooked up with nickachu, but this failed for unknown reasons - I couldn't remember anything and felt violated. Night 2: Saturnalian. Failed because someone fucked it up (perhaps they got there first?) but for some reason I was told they were Willow. Night 3: DavPaz. This also failed, but again I don't know why, same as night 1. If someone's protecting me for some reason (see the note about killing Oz even though I'm not dead) does that mean protection stops hookups?! I'm keen to kill a kill role but GazChap's whole story about me being Willow is predicated on the basis that for some unknown reason he was told the characters name when he attempted a hook up. I've tried two hook ups, both of which failed, and not once was I told my targets name. Has anyone else attempted an unsuccessful hook up and been told their target's name? You can kill me by all means because my role is, as ever, extremely limited and maybe still win, but if I die and you're wrong then 3 townies bite the dust by tomorrow and that'll probably mean that there's more baddies than goodies.

Author:	sdg [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:52 ]
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@tff-I assumed that I was just blocked

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:53 ]
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I'm trying to think who you're roleclaiming as, because it sounds like Cordelia, but Nickachu just claimed as her as well (I think).

Author:	nickachu [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:54 ]
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Curiosity wrote: I'm trying to think who you're roleclaiming as, because it sounds like Cordelia, but Nickachu just claimed as her as well (I think). That would be correct. I want my Xander back Every hook up I tried, but didn't get anywhere.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 14:58 ]
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I agree with it being weird that Gaz said he knew it was Willow, but assuming that it was being dumped that sent Willow mental (not certainly, but possible), it could have been Oz hooking up with her that did it.

Author:	Malc [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:00 ]
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I'm fairly (read greater than 99%) sure that you don't get told anything about hookups until the morning. successful or otherwise. Which is a big part of why I think gaz is not telling the truth, and for similar reasons why I am worried about kovacs (the other person I am worried about is curiousity - because why isn't he dead yet if he's a goodie?) Malc

Author:	TheFireFaerie [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:00 ]
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So now we have two Cordelia role claims? What does that mean in terms of good / bad / any future effect to the good guys?

Author:	nickachu [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:02 ]
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I got told absolutely nothing in regards to hook ups. maybe I was doing it wrong.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:02 ]
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TheFireFaerie wrote: So now we have two Cordelia role claims? What does that mean in terms of good / bad / any future effect to the good guys? We need to wait for Sat to get back and make up a new role that he could be.

Author:	nickachu [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:10 ]
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can't have been me causing willow crazy as I went for silentelk and trooper. With no success. I missed out hooking up one day.

Author:	Satsuma [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:18 ]
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Please point me in the direction of where I claimed as Cordelia. I've explained my role as given to me and truthfully explained what I've done the last few days. You can go back over my posts and look for yourself. I've even provided a clear example of when I leaked information that my role had obtained, and information that turned out to be spot on (The Trooper stuff, right? Oh you follow, aces.). I can't see why you're siding with GazChap who is, as far as I'm concerned, a known killer. Not one person has said that they were ever told what role their target was in an unsuccessful hook up. It's utter bullshit and you've either swallowed GazChap's lie hook, line and sinker or your in league with him. I'm hoping it's the former but at this stage I don't know if you had a good role and were turned or what really.

Author:	Satsuma [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:19 ]
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(That was directed at Curio by the way)

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:21 ]
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How many other female goodies are there with limited powers? Anya and Faith? Both of whom have been known to have flexible morals, and unlikely to have such a lame power. Unless you come up with something better, my vote stays.

Author:	GazChap [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:24 ]
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I can't explain it either (me being told who you are, I mean) - but I'll be vindicated when the vote goes through on you.

Author:	Satsuma [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:28 ]
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Well if I haven't convinced you by now already then I don't know what will. Personally, I believe if we don't kill a kill role today then it'll make weeding out the baddies even harder tomorrow so for the following reasons it's got to be [vote: Gazchap]: 1) He's a werewolf and killed Buffy. 2) See 1) above.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:30 ]
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Oh, stuff it. I know Saturnalian is Willow. I am Anya Jenkins. I want all of the bad people dead. To be super happy I need to hook up with Xander, but Willow killed him. THANKS, WILLOW! I get to grant wishes against people who have been dumped, which has happened precisely once. Xander got dumped by Willow on the night everything went mental. I know this as I was informed that Willow dumped him and it was Oz's fault. Xander chose his revenge being Oz having to pretend to be a vampire by mentioning it being sunny and he didn't like it. Weird revenge, but I don't get to choose the wishes. So, Oz definitely did target Willow on Night Two. As such, Gaz was telling the truth about that. So I'm inclined to trust him when he says it was Sat who he went for. If it isn't, we kill Gaz. Cool? Cool. I have no other fun skills, so please don't kill me, bad peeps.

Author:	nickachu [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:32 ]
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In that case then can't we kill gaz tonight. Then tomorrow before willow gets bored kill her off then? Since the willow killings don't happen immediately?

Author:	KovacsC [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:33 ]
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saturnalian: 3 (Curiosity, KovacsC, GazChap) gazchap: 4 (nickachu, TheVision, Malc, Saturnalian) Not voted: 3 (bobbyaro, sdg, thefirefaerie) With 10 players alive, 6 votes are required for a lynch, and 6 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody. http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/work.php

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Nov 11, 2013 15:34 ]
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nickachu wrote: In that case then can't we kill gaz tonight. Then tomorrow before willow gets bored kill her off then? Since the willow killings don't happen immediately? I imagine that they happen the second Willow decides to kill someone, and I'm pretty darn certain that person would be me. So, no. Remember, Gaz might not be in control of himself. I really hope he doesn't choose to target anyone.