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Pricing has been announced. £30 for the Playstation Eye, £30 for the wand controller, or £50 the pair. Plus £25 for the nunchuck-me-do other-hand-controller. Not cheap, but likely to be cheaper than Kinect (which is $150, so likely £99 I think).

I'm probably slightly more interested in this than I am in Kinect, because I'm gay for the idea Resident Evil 5 with RE4:Wii controls.

Same here. My problem with Kinect is simply that I'm not keen on the idea of having no physical controls, whereas the idea of Wii controls on a PS3-powered system sounds pretty good. It is an absolutely shameless rip-off of Nintendo's idea though.

I'm concerned that gaming manufacturers appear to be attempting to shift their focus away from the exceedingly sedentary gamer. Namely me.

The games I saw at E3 all looked like games that I have played (and got bored of) on the Wii.

I'm not a fan of motion control. There's a reason why my Wii has so much dust gathered on it.

Also... it show's how excited the forum is about it in the fact that both MS and Nintendo got their own E3 thread on the day of their announcements. This thread has come a few days after.

Well, we are a forum of (mostly) Xbox 360 and Wii owners, to be fair.

Oh I totally agree, but the point I suppose I'm making is that if it was worth talking about and we were genuinely excited about an advance in gaming, then we'd be all over it.

I just don't care too much for motion control. That wizard game and the Star Wars game could easily have been done on the normal controller.

I liked the advertising campaign.
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Indeed, not many among us have bummed the Microsoft dickhead device either. I've probably had more fun taking the piss out of it that I would playing it.

This is why, out of the whole of E3, the thing that caught my attention the most was the 3DS. Something new and exciting that I haven't seen before.

Certainly is eyecatching.

I think that's the thing though -- there were few actual announcements at any of the E3 conferences. The Move and Kinetic we've known about for months, ditto for the 3DS and Sony's 3D TV support. Gears 3, CoD7, and other franchise updates are not new either. There were no surprises.

I would be more interested in Kinect if they announced that the Xbox 720 was 3 or 4 years away. As it stands, we can't be certain that if we buy this, then 720 with Kinect 2 won't be announced in February 2011 for a 2012 release.

Both Kinect and Move seem like they are too expensive by far (or at least, rumoured price of Kinect) to get proper support.

There has never ever been a successful add on for a console that requires games to be specifically developed for them, unless it costs so little that it can be given away free with a game.

For kinect, unless it hugely takes off, you are not going to see a lot of proper games that use it, outside of ones that MS publish.

Similarly for Move, you are not going to see many games that require it, even if a lot of games have non-essential support for it (like FPSs and Heavy Rain).

We'll see, but I am highly skeptical that either will live up to what MS/Sony are saying. I do hope that next generation all three consoles have really good motion control and normal controllers though.

Edit: If they were to say that Kinect was going to be fully 720 forwards compatible, and that the 720 would require Kinect support for all games (even if just for head tracking or whatever) I would be far more comfortable getting it now. As it stands, I think it will be similar to the 32X or the PS2 Hard drive.

They nearly made it with the redesigned 360. Not exactly new but still.

Hmm, not sure, personally I thought the USB memory stick support a few months back broadcast that move.

I agree about Kinect. However, depending on penetration rates for the Playstation Eye, for at least some people it might just be a £30 new controller. I think that might be low enough to make this viable.

Wouldn't Wii Fit count as a successful add-on?

Isn't the $150 for Kinect just a price Gamestop rather than MS have put on it? No official pricing as yet until August.

The thing about Kinect is once you've bought it that's it - nothing else required other than your limbs. For Move to penetrate the casual family market it so badly wants to then you would need to buy at least two of everything (except the camera) which starts mounting up.

I can see me actually getting Kinect because of the 4 year old in the house and the fact that I can pretend I am in Minority Report. I haven't bought a game for the PS3 in close to nine months now and I can't see Move changing that.

Of the ps3 owners here, has anyone got a PSeye?

Also, on move: PS Move? PS Knob, more like.

I nearly got one. I think I remember that card game thingy being really cheap at one point.

I have a 360 camera that was used for one single session of Burny Pee, once.

Tru dat. It's probably right though.

This is a fair point too. Of course I live alone, like a hermit.

I think I'd only want to play RE5, a game I've already completed on the 360 and would have no-one to co-op with.

In related and shocking news, Sony's made a smart move. You don't need to use the nunchuck thingy; you can hold the Dualshock3 in one hand instead. It's not as comfortable but it might do in a pinch. Slightly lower barrier to entry.

Problem is, it's a real cluster fuck of configurations.

Yes if you already own the camera, you don't need to buy one, but you need a Move controller, and a nunchuck for any proper games. But also some games use 2 move controllers for one person. That's just for single player too.

It's a lot like the mess that is the Wii controller configurations, but worse because people have already paid £35 a pop for Dual Shock 3s.

The Wii Balance Board disagrees. They've sold more of them than Sony have sold PS3s.

Are you sure that is the case? I know they sold faster than the PS3 for quite a while.

The balance board is really more of a game specific controller, like a light gun, steering wheel, dance mat or plastic instrument.

And how is the Move not just a game specific controller?

I guess the distinction I would make is that they are pushing the controller first here.

With the other stuff, like Wii Fit, Guitar hero/Rock band et all, they push the game first, and sell the controller with/alongside it.

It's frustrating how Microsoft and Sony haven't learnt from Sega's mistakes with the Mega Drive. The Mega CD, 32X and even the six-button joypad, none of them were widely adopted, caused consumer confusion

Perhaps MS and Sony are arrogant enough to believe that they can break the curse of hardware add-ons. Or they assume that the videogames market has moved on enough since the early '90s to make add-ons viable. Dunno.



True. Still isn't supported by many games, though. Unfortunately. It's a good idea, in theory.

(Hang on, the Wii Motion Plus hasn't had much action either, has it?)

Don't forget we're getting Kinetic and Move instead of new consoles. The 360 is over 5 years old, but there's no sign of a 720 yet. So there's likely some pent-up demand from bored consumers looking for something new.

I think that all games that require it have had a retail bundle with it, but I'm not 100% sure on that. I know some games support it optionally too. I've not bothered getting one, and the only time I think I might would be Zelda.

I think you are right that the plan is to delay needing a new console, and most publishers must be happy not rushing to the next round of consoles.

I think it is more likely that neither Move or Connect will set the world on fire, but probably will have continued support from casual games and first and second party devs. In the long run, I think the slim 360 and PS3 will have done more for this generation though. They have wiggle room for price drops too, maybe in a year or so.

Who knows who will be first to market with the next new console.

On a trip to Toys R Us this morning I suddenly realised why Kinect will succeed.

It's not aimed at the likes of us that worry about input lag and read gaming websites every day. It's aimed at the type of people that stroll through Toys R Us and see someone in front of a demo pod interacting with a games console with nothing other than their body. I reckon a large percentage of the Wii sales were viral - in that once people had seen it in action at a friend/family members house then they wanted one - the immediacy and intuitive nature of the controls winning them over.

I doubt you'll see many Move demo pods in the same sense you don't see many Wii ones - people run off with the controller if it's not chained down and if you chain it down you restrict the field of movement which defeats the object. I've changed my mind completely about it having dismissed it as a pointless "me too" excercise - If MS can get some decent demo software that Joe Public walking past can interact with in a matter of seconds then they are onto a massive winner (depending on price and decent software bundled in with the device).

Dead Space: Extraction (the semi-on-rails Wii shooter game) is being ported to Move. Between that, Heavy Rain, and RE5, there are now three Move games I'm interested in. Three games is usually my "time to consider the new system" benchmark.

I could definitely see me picking this up at some point. It's certainly much more likely than me getting Kinect.

One of those is not a game.

I'm almost tempted to get Move just so I use my PS3 as something other than a media centre but I'm actually more interested in the 3d stuff on the PS3 rather than Move.

Also I have no money.

Move does seem to be the best of the motion control things.

But that's really not saying too much.

I'm really not gonna dive in on any of these. Some sucker chum will get one that I'll be able to try, so I'll wait it out.

I'd be more interested in seeing what new original games come out for it, rather than rehashed or ported with tacked on motion controls. Hello Pikmin! I saw the video for that Sorcery thing on the E3 stream. So obvious they wanted to call it Harry Potter and the Wavin of His Stupid Arm.

I suppose the thing is that Nintendo made very, very little attempt to appeal to the market that they already had, aside from stealing their star points (yeah, good loyalty scheme that)

Neither Microsoft or Sony seem to be making any indication that they are either.

So, this happened.



Asda's undercutting everyone on everything, if anyone else is shopping for this today. They were even cheaper than Amazon on a few times.

It feels lovely in the hand, really expensive. Squidgy ball is squidgy. Fucking wankers didn't bundle a charge cable.

The temptation to do an a.d style edit on all the euphemisms in that single line is strong...

Too late.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010- ... cle?page=2

Uhh, isn't that exactly how RE4:Wiimake controlled though?

I loved the Wii controls of 4, and they might seriously improve the ps3 version.

I'd need to give it a try before buying.

RE:4 and RE:5 are the only games I can think of that I've completed and bought multiple times (bought twice each, I completed RE:4 twice and RE:5 three (ish) times). Except UT3, which I bought four times.

How much was all that stuff?

RE:5 I completed about 7 times, because the extra weapons are superawesome amazing.

In Asda, which was approximately equivalent to Amazon's prices and much cheaper than Game/station:

Starter kit (one controller, Eye camera, demo disc): £40
Second Motion controller: £28
Navigation controller: £20 (I just got one, will use a pad for the second if I need one)
Sports Championship: £25
Heavy Rain: £25

And RE5:Gold was £20 in Gamestation. You can probably add on £12 for Tumble and Flight Control HD from PSN when I get home tonight, I expect.

Losing them is going to be very sad.

Hmmm - Do ASDA take actual consoles in as part/ex? Might offload the Wii finally and then use the money from that for Move stuff. Otherwise it's Gamestation.

No idea. I don't think my local Asda does preowned at all.

Game's prices compared to Asda's below for you:

Starter kit (one controller, Eye camera, demo disc): £40 / £50
Second Motion controller: £28 / £35
Navigation controller: £20 / £25
Sports Championship: £25 / £30

So +£22 overall.

Tesco do preowned games, and have better prices than asda on the started pack if you order to collect in store.

Not sure about preowned consoles though. Their prices on games are all "better than GAME or Gamestation", but they won't match CEX.

details:
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