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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:37 
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Well lookie here, the UK's gonna get it's very own Jingoism act!

The British Broadcasting Corporation wrote:
Ministers are to consider plans for a database of electronic information holding details of every phone call and e-mail sent in the UK, it has emerged.

The plans, reported in the Times, are at an early stage and may be included in the draft Communications Bill later this year, the Home Office confirmed.

A Home Office spokesman said the data is a "crucial tool" for protecting national security and prevent crime.

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Another large, expensive database? What could possibly go wrong?

As with all these things, it won't actually help matters. With all that information, the level of noise becomes far too great to be of any practical, targeted use. Besides, wouldn't Mr Manoflowmoralfibre be using encryption or, perhaps, tunnelling through non-UK servers? On the plus side, it could become the national resource for unfunny forwarded jokes.

I would write to my MP for the umpteenth time but I've got bored of receiving forwarded Home Office form letters that do not address any of the points (especially when I take the time to painfully detail the flaws in the first one I receive).


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 Post subject: Re: UK Gov could tap email, phones for security Database
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Why are we storing all emails but not all paper letters.

Is this all an elaborate scam to shore up the Royal Mail?


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Heh, maybe.

The counter-argument might be 'why do you trust Mr Google with your private correspondence', which handily omits the fact that you can withdraw your custom from them if they get annoying*

Probably just a floating balloon so the voters in the by-election think the governmet are Doing Something - I'm pretty sure there are existing surveillance networks that would be officially denied if pushed.

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Well my answer to the first question there is "I don't", although of course that supports your point even more.


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I would just ask one question about this:
What is the point?

What a waste of money.

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More evidence if any were needed that the Labour party have gone completely bonkers. Can't believe we have to wait two years to kick the bastards out.


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Mmm. To be honest, they can do what they like with my email. I make the choice to send out my thoughts in completely plain text unencrypted on the internet. Phone calls have an expectation of privacy though, so that's another matter.

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Er. Why would phone calls have an expectation of privacy that e-mails don't? Because they've been here for longer?

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Er. Why would phone calls have an expectation of privacy that e-mails don't? Because they've been here for longer?


I don't really know. I just feel that there is.

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 Post subject: Re: UK Gov could tap email, phones for security Database
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:17 
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Perhaps because you know email is already in text, and is already stored all over the place (on an essentially public network) in the normal course of things.
If you use Gmail to store mailing lists you know how easy it is to immediately find something that you (or anyone) said several years ago.

It's a lot harder to mass-eavesdrop on phonecalls so traditionally it hasn't been possible, so people haven't even entertained the prospect.


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 Post subject: Re: UK Gov could tap email, phones for security Database
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:20 
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So, who's going to be first to write software* that listens to line-in, compresses and encrypts the audio, inserts it steganographically into a pre-recorded conversation, and plays it out the headphone socket into a phone handset. And vice versa at the other end.

* ...and publicise it. I'm sure at least one government agency will have developed something along these lines already.


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Can't you already do encrypted VOIP? That would seem more straightforward and potentially less suspicious :)


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Slight topic swerve, where did I read about the police routinely Googling you, if they arrest you on suspicion of something?


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Stories pop in the news every now and then about people getting caught because they've been boasting on their myspace page or facebook account. But if you're dumb enough to do that, you deserve everything you get.


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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 13:13 
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kalmar wrote:
Slight topic swerve, where did I read about the police routinely Googling you, if they arrest you on suspicion of something?



That's why you should have the name of a famous person... You should try googling for me (Malcolm Macdonald) and eliminating all the references to the 70s footballer.

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 Post subject: Re: UK Gov could tap email, phones for security Database
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 13:36 
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The current political landscape is fascinating to watch. This has to be one of the biggest implosions of a government in recent British history, and the most amazing thing is that there's nothing to fill the gap. At least when the Tories sank in the 1990s, Labour looked like a bloody good bet to get Britain going again. Now, however, I don't think anyone really thinks Cameron and co. are anything special, and yet Labour's polling only a few points above the Liberal Democrats, and has somehow managed to convince a huge chunk of the electorate to hold their nose, swallow hard and vote Tory.

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The funny thing is, with FPTP, Labour might still be able to sneak in, and so Clegg's talking about getting the Tories into power via coalition might not be as stupid as it initially seemed, if (and that's a very big if) it can push through massive electoral reform as a matter of urgency in the UK.


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 Post subject: Re: UK Gov could tap email, phones for security Database
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At least when the Tories sank in the 1990s, Labour looked like a bloody good bet to get Britain going again


:this:

What bliss it was that dawn to be alive...

(Thank you, Mr Blair, for pissing all over my youthful idealism and turning me into a misanthropic cynic)


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kalmar wrote:
Slight topic swerve, where did I read about the police routinely Googling you, if they arrest you on suspicion of something?


They're welcome to admire my Wikipedia entry if they like. :ninja:

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kalmar wrote:
Can't you already do encrypted VOIP? That would seem more straightforward and potentially less suspicious :)

Deliberately masking your electronical what-are-obviously-conversations versus apparently normal, trivial, unmasked phone chats?

Unless you're expecting a CCTV camera in every room some time soon with which the government can spy your contraptions.


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 Post subject: Re: UK Gov could tap email, phones for security Database
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 14:59 
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 Post subject: Re: UK Gov could tap email, phones for security Database
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 15:30 
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This is terrible.

I wrote about this (and the shopping centres that record every move you make from your mobile, and the 4 million CCTV cameras that have reduced crime 3%) here.

Main crux of my post though, is that instead of arguing on line about it. We should be moaning at our MPs. Use Write to them to send of an email.

It'll only take a few minutes.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 15:34 
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 Post subject: Re: UK Gov could tap email, phones for security Database
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That recording every phonecall, email and internet session makes this country a surveillance state and as my MP you should represent me by doing all in your power to turn this bill down, and make the Data Protection Act forbid such ideas in the future.

Thats why this was released early, to try and get it killed before it starts. If MPs get a bunch of emails now, they'll not want to face this issue with the election coming up.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 16:10 
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AceAceBaby wrote:
kalmar wrote:
Slight topic swerve, where did I read about the police routinely Googling you, if they arrest you on suspicion of something?


They're welcome to admire my Wikipedia entry if they like. :ninja:

You have one? Or is it some joke that I've failed dismally to get?


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MarzSyndrome wrote:
AceAceBaby wrote:
kalmar wrote:
Slight topic swerve, where did I read about the police routinely Googling you, if they arrest you on suspicion of something?


They're welcome to admire my Wikipedia entry if they like. :ninja:

You have one? Or is it some joke that I've failed dismally to get?


No joke. :ninja:

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AceAceBaby wrote:
MarzSyndrome wrote:
AceAceBaby wrote:
kalmar wrote:
Slight topic swerve, where did I read about the police routinely Googling you, if they arrest you on suspicion of something?


They're welcome to admire my Wikipedia entry if they like. :ninja:

You have one? Or is it some joke that I've failed dismally to get?


No joke. :ninja:


You have a wikipedia entry then? Cool :attitude:


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AceAceBaby's notability > RevStu's notability. OFFICAL TRUFAX.


Especially if AAB turns out to be the Stuart Campbell that's a murderer.


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OK. To be fair, there is a page for my name.
it might not actually be about me.

If the heat gets too intense, I'll just change my name to Jane Doe. :munkeh:

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My surname is a recognised political 'ism' that is considered integral to a somewhat offbeat religion. Trufax.


Dhal?

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Spinglo Sponglo! wrote:
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My surname is a recognised political 'ism' that is considered integral to a somewhat offbeat religion. Trufax.


Dhal?

Malc


ism, not sim.

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Craster wrote:
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sinister agent wrote:
My surname is a recognised political 'ism' that is considered integral to a somewhat offbeat religion. Trufax.


Dhal?

Malc


ism, not sim.



I know that, the 13 year old (or whenever it was) didn't

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God Damn it guys, if this was in place, then maybe we could stop stuff like this from happening:

Radical (mental) Muslim Blows up Exeter

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'Radicalised' is my new favourite word. I will use it in place of 'excellent' for the next month.


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Can you blow the picture up please, I can't really see it.

Edit - Ignore this, I should've read the article.


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He didn't even blow himself up. Why are we still under attack from the Keystone Jihad?

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Radicalised, huh?

Better watch out then, he'll be mighty reactive.

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ON a similar note, I was reading in the Law Gazette (yeah, I know, slow days) about the council using RIPA to spy on a family to ascertain if their child qualified for a certain school. They got bitchslapped over that.

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>:(

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Fuckers. Absolute fuckers.

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It'll never fly, have they not got any idea about the amount of information they will need to store, even if just capturing the envelope information for each message over a period of 12 months.

Its more than will fit on my hard disk at home, that's for certain...


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A Home Office spokesman told The Register that the previous government's estimate of the cost of the Interception Modernisation Programme (IMP) has been abandoned.

He declined to provide a revised figure, saying new proposals for internet surveillance will be announced in November. This raises the possibility either that suggestions by industry sources that the original estimate was unrealistically low were correct, or that the scheme is being scaled back.

The spokesman flatly denied claims in The Guardian that access to IMP data would be restricted to "terror-related" investigations, however. Communications data is vital to all law enforcement, he said.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/26 ... ice_price/

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