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 Post subject: XXX-TREME pr0n to be outlawed
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 15:10 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7364475.stm
NSFW warning: Contains the word 'porn' in big letters.

So, what I want to know is - where's the cut-off line?

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 Post subject: Re: XXX-TREME pr0n to be outlawed
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 15:12 
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Interesting story, actually. If the bill goes through as is, there will be things that it is legal to actually do, but illegal to own images of other people doing. Much like boinking a 16 year old.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 15:14 
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An act which results in or appears to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals


Does that mean that the hilarious bits in comedy films or You've Been Framed when some bloke catches a bowling ball in the knackers is now extreme pornography?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 15:15 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 15:19 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 17:43 
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An act which results in or appears to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals


Does that mean that the hilarious bits in comedy films or You've Been Framed when some bloke catches a bowling ball in the knackers is now extreme pornography?


Define 'serious injury'. And 'appears to'. I've seen things that could 'appear to' harm those things by some people's definitions. Also, why the specific focus on the squelchy bits, exactly? These lawmakers must be really unimaginative in bed.

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Five years ago Jane Longhurst, a teacher from Brighton, was murdered. It later emerged her killer had been compulsively accessing websites such as Club Dead and Rape Action, which contained images of women being abused and violated.


For fuck's sake. Talk about tarring it all with the same brush. "Rape Action"? Yes, of course, all S&M is comparable to rape or even staged rape.

Hint, guys: The key word there is "compulsively".

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"I'm not [a killjoy]. I do not approve of this stuff but there is room for all sorts of different people. But anything which is going to cause damage to other people needs to be stopped."

To those who fear the legislation might criminalise people who use violent pornography as a harmless sex aid, she responds with a blunt "hard luck".

"There is no reason for this stuff. I can't see why people need to see it. People say what about our human rights but where are Jane's human rights?"


Where do you begin, really? Yes, your daughter died because a nutter kiled her. Terrible, of course. But, and I mean this in the nicest way, fuck off. I bet I can find something you like that I find 'unnecessary' and campaign to make that illegal too, but I don't because I'm not a total fucking prick*.

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"Obviously anything that leads to violence against women has to be taken very seriously," says Baroness Miller. "But you have to be very careful about the definition of 'extreme pornography' and they have not nearly been careful enough."


Surely that should be "But you have to establish that this pornography leads to violence against women before banning it, and nobody's done that yet, so this whole bill can fuck right off until somebody comes back with some evidence that the millions of people who watch rough porn are going to go out and beat women up."?

Gah. The irony, of course, is that this act will probably go through because all the politicians are the vilest perverts in the land and will all try so desperately to look innocent that they'll overcompensate and shove it through rather than talk about it like adults, and so will criminalise themselves and a third of the country.

*I am really.

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"There is no reason for this stuff. I can't see why people need to see it. People say what about our human rights but where are Jane's human rights?"


They're with the punishing of the man who killed her.


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"There is no reason for this stuff. I can't see why people need to see it. People say what about our human rights but where are Jane's human rights?"


They're with the punishing of the man who killed her.


And presumably, and emphatically, NOT with punishing millions of people who didn't.

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Exactly.

For a much, much longer version of that post, find any of the Manhunt 2 debates on the Retro Gamer forum.


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An act which results in or appears to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals


What about those gapers videos? Or that one where Alisha Klass makes her arse prolapse? From an extreme (heh) point of view, all her previous videos would be banned because it was due to all that constant, sustained bumsex over a period of several years that her arsehole sustained that serious injury that now enables her to let it fall out on demand.

Also, what about a video of someone piercing their flaps/nipple/etc? Surely having a HOLE POKED IN SOMETHING is a pretty serious injury!


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 Post subject: Re: XXX-TREME pr0n to be outlawed
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It only has to 'appear to', as well. Does that include those crappy cartoons? The Japanese export industry will not be pleased with us.

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What about those people who really love depictions of men in a loincloths being crucified? Or is it just the crown of thorns that pushes it over the edge?

I lost patience with badly-written, ill-thought out legislation a long time ago. Unlike MPs, I bother to read bills; they merely vote on them.

[Edited to clear up early morning spelling problems]


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What about those people who really love depictions of men in a loincloths being crucified? Or is it just the crown of thorns that pushes it over the edge?

I lost patience with badly-written, ill-thought out legislation a long time ago. Unlike MPs, I bother to read bills; they merely vote on them.

[Edited to clear up early morning spelling problems]


This is quite a good point I didn't think of : who wants to ask their MP to ask it in the house? :smug:

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Indeed, surely we have to ban virtually every film ever here, I don't think I've seen one that doesn't depict "the appearance of serious injury". Hell, even Finding Nemo had a bodycount.


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An act which results in or appears to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals


What about those gapers videos? Or that one where Alisha Klass makes her arse prolapse?


:'( :S :spew: :(

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Sheepeh wrote:
who wants to ask their MP to ask it in the house?


They should have had Liz read out from the big chair the list of activities they had in mind.

I agree with your point. Nobody likes standing up for such things, even when matters of principle are at stake.

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