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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 15:51 
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Why is this not on MW2's rendering of the ACOG, eh? Realistic my arse.

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Don't see the issue. They buy stuff from a company that like to (subtly) put bible references on their products.

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How, exactly, could they cause offence? I reckon people are going to be more offended by the FUCKING BULLETS BEING SHOT AT THEM.

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MRFF president Mikey Weinstein says the inscriptions could give the Taliban and other enemy forces a propaganda tool.

"I don't have to wonder for a nanosecond how the American public would react if citations from the Koran were being inscribed onto these US armed forces gunsights instead of New Testament citations," he said.


Er, how likely is that? Plus, these inscriptions have been put on the sights for over 20 years and it's now suddenly an issue?

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You'd think they had more to complain about that this, wouldn't you?

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"Not only did the fucker shoot me in the face, right, but he shot me with a gun that has these sights, right, and they've got a serial number on them. Well, clearly the first thing I did was decode that into a bible reference! So I got my bible (from the top drawer of the bedside table in my suite at the Kabul Hilton, natch), and looked it up! It was something about goats."

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Don't see the issue. They buy stuff from a company that like to (subtly) put bible references on their products.

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An MoD spokesman told the BBC the ministry appreciated the biblical references could cause offence


How, exactly, could they cause offence? I reckon people are going to be more offended by the FUCKING BULLETS BEING SHOT AT THEM.

Worse, the guys doing the shooting complained.

"Well, I was quite happy about shooting these people in the face, see, until I saw this biblical reference on my sight and it reminded me that killing peple is, and you'll never believe this, frowned on a bit. I felt terrible after that. I want to sue the company who made them, and the people I shot - they made me feel really really bad."

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It's their own fault for bothering to look it up in the first place.

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Got a feeling they are more concerned by the Holy War connations.

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Got a feeling they are more concerned by the Holy War connations.

They're almost all Caucasians! Historically the winning side in Crusades (at least if you count away kills as double), so what have they got to feel bad about?

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Got a feeling they are more concerned by the Holy War connations.

Why start being concerned by that now? They weren't too fussed when George W Bush announced a crusade and Operation Infinite Justice or whatever it was called...

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Got a feeling they are more concerned by the Holy War connations.

They're almost all Caucasians! Historically the winning side in Crusades (at least if you count away kills as double), so what have they got to feel bad about?


The complaints were made by a Muslim, you big racist!

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I agree that they should be removed though. Frikkin' stupid idea to have them there, and would be perceived very badly in the country that they're in.

Basically, it's awesome propaganda for the terrorists to use.

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Got a feeling they are more concerned by the Holy War connations.

They're almost all Caucasians! Historically the winning side in Crusades (at least if you count away kills as double), so what have they got to feel bad about?


The complaints were made by a Muslim, you big racist!


Then not only do these sights allow pinpoint pwning, they flush out sleeper agents!

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I agree that they should be removed though. Frikkin' stupid idea to have them there, and would be perceived very badly in the country that they're in.

Basically, it's awesome propaganda for the terrorists to use.


I agree, but how many forrins are going to be close enough to a US or UK soldier to read any stamping on the sights, and understand what the hell the cryptic reference is? The media has caused this problem just as much as the manufacturer.

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"Not only did the fucker shoot me in the face, right, but he shot me with a gun that has these sights, right, and they've got a serial number on them. Well, clearly the first thing I did was decode that into a bible reference! So I got my bible (from the top drawer of the bedside table in my suite at the Kabul Hilton, natch), and looked it up! It was something about goats."


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It's a shame it doesn't say 'point tihs end at baddies LOL'. Or something along those lines. Or maybe a safety warning.

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Ha!

"Caution! You may not actually be doing this for the right reasons."


Heh.

They should do a complementary range of inscribed bullets as well:

"Mohammed didn't tell you this was coming did he?"

"Enjoy the virgins"

"This is what Jesus would do"

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They should do a complementary range of inscribed bullets as well:


They should switch to an atheist manufacturer.

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They're almost all Caucasians! Historically the winning side in Crusades (at least if you count away kills as double), so what have they got to feel bad about?

Strapping on my BIG STAMPY BOOTS for a moment:

Number of Crusades: 8*.

Number of Crusades that achieved what they set out to achieve: 1**.

* - Or 9 or possibly 10, depending on how you're counting it.

** - Plus one arguable victory via diplomacy. And another for the Albigensian Crusade, although that was against other Caucasians so I'm not sure it counts in this case. Other than that, it was pretty much abject faliure all the way. I'm particularly fond of the 4th Crusade, which ran out of money and patience halfway to the Holy Land and instead ended up sacking Constantinople (which was of course a Christian city at the time).

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They're almost all Caucasians! Historically the winning side in Crusades (at least if you count away kills as double), so what have they got to feel bad about?

Strapping on my BIG STAMPY BOOTS for a moment:

Number of Crusades: 8*.

Number of Crusades that achieved what they set out to achieve: 1**.

* - Or 9 or possibly 10, depending on how you're counting it.

** - Plus one arguable victory via diplomacy. And another for the Albigensian Crusade, although that was against other Caucasians so I'm not sure it counts in this case. Other than that, it was pretty much abject faliure all the way. I'm particularly fond of the 4th Crusade, which ran out of money and patience halfway to the Holy Land and instead ended up sacking Constantinople (which was of course a Christian city at the time).


AWAY FIXTURES.

Jesus. Give them a break - they had some hostile crowds out there.

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It depends what you consider a loss. Number of crusades that ended with the sacking of London: 0

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They should do a complementary range of inscribed bullets as well.

Slightly-related awesome line from Queen & Country:

"It's not the bullet with your name on you need to worry about. It's all the others addressed To Whom It May Concern."

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They should do a complementary range of inscribed bullets as well.

Slightly-related awesome line from Queen & Country:

"It's not the bullet with your name on you need to worry about. It's all the others addressed To Whom It May Concern."

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Don't see the issue. They buy stuff from a company that like to (subtly) put bible references on their products.

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How, exactly, could they cause offence? I reckon people are going to be more offended by the FUCKING BULLETS BEING SHOT AT THEM.


Er, isn't the issue bleeding obvious?

We just invaded two muslims countries for 'democracy' and 'safety' and 'wmds' - shouldn't it be bloody obvious that we should dimish as much of the Religious War connetations as possible?

It doesn't matter that it's some serial number obscure nonsense. it's the fact that our current enemies can exagerate it massively to justify their religious war. 'These christian warriors invade our land each gun that shoots at honest muslims comes wrapped in the bible'

And for the record, if we ever invade Texas we shouldn't put coded Dawkins quotes on our guns either.

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But nobody knew they were there until the media started trumpeting about how awful it is.

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And for the record, if we ever invade Texas we shouldn't put coded Dawkins quotes on our guns either.



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Don't see the issue. They buy stuff from a company that like to (subtly) put bible references on their products.

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How, exactly, could they cause offence? I reckon people are going to be more offended by the FUCKING BULLETS BEING SHOT AT THEM.


Er, isn't the issue bleeding obvious?

We just invaded two muslims countries for 'democracy' and 'safety' and 'wmds' - shouldn't it be bloody obvious that we should dimish as much of the Religious War connetations as possible?

Fuxache - we've invaded them - isn't that a bit more of a slap in the face than the inscriptions on the guns used to do it?

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We just invaded two muslims countries for 'democracy' and 'safety' and 'wmds'

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Don't see the issue. They buy stuff from a company that like to (subtly) put bible references on their products.

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How, exactly, could they cause offence? I reckon people are going to be more offended by the FUCKING BULLETS BEING SHOT AT THEM.


Er, isn't the issue bleeding obvious?

We just invaded two muslims countries for 'democracy' and 'safety' and 'wmds' - shouldn't it be bloody obvious that we should dimish as much of the Religious War connetations as possible?

Fuxache - we've invaded them - isn't that a bit more of a slap in the face than the inscriptions on the guns used to do it?


Only in a logical world. Sadly, we do not live in one of those. Especially in the ultra-religious areas we've invaded.

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Where they already think everyone's a blasphemous infidel anyway, so who cares what's on their gunsights?

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I thought we invaded them because GW Bush and Tony Blair were crazed Christian lunatics.

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Where they already think everyone's a blasphemous infidel anyway, so who cares what's on their gunsights?

Exactly.

This is just political correctness gone mad, now. We're worried about the feelings of people we're shooting at? Granted, a lot of them are innocent women and children, but still.

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Where they already think everyone's a blasphemous infidel anyway, so who cares what's on their gunsights?


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This is just political correctness gone mad, now. We're worried about the feelings of people we're shooting at?

When did we wash up on the shores of Daily Mail Island?

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Craster wrote:
Where they already think everyone's a blasphemous infidel anyway, so who cares what's on their gunsights?


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This is just political correctness gone mad, now. We're worried about the feelings of people we're shooting at?

When did we wash up on the shores of Daily Mail Island?

Heh.

However, given that we invaded them because, in the case of Iraq, they have oil and, in the case of Afghistan, the President expressly said he wanted a Christian Crusade, I really do think we've got bigger PR issues than the cryptic inscriptions on some ACOGs which no-one would even know about, or, in the unlikely situation they saw one, even understand ,if it weren't for the media.

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