Be Excellent To Each Other

Hello! I'll just grab this out of Runc's thread what I done posted there.



I've started playing the single player and can confirm it's great so far. Up to the third mission and the characters are really the stand out moments from it so far. The "Bad Company" are really rather amusing and superbly animated.

I've not played a Battlefield game before, so everything's coming as a very pleasant surprise. The game itself is objective based shooty shooty fare, with lots of vehicles to jump in (4 positions in a tank! Take that Frontlines!) and impressive scenery destruction. The AI is actually tough to play against too, but the infy respawn of your character does make things rather simplistic when it comes to your tactics.

Multiplayer I've only played "gold rush" so far, where you take it in turns to defend and attack each other's gold crates. Each crate needs to be destroyed in a zone to advance the map into new territory where new crates spawn. It's really rather awesome to be able to take control of artillery barrages to support a tank advance The only let down seems to be a 4 player maximum squad

Rushed and crap recap I know, but I'm looking forward to see how the rest of it progresses.

You're in so much trouble.

BF1942 and BF2 were both aces so I'm pleased to hear this is more of the same but better.

I shall purchase shortly.

Grim's in it! He plays a president!

Ive only played the demo

Things I liked

- Graphics and sound are serviceable
- ability to blow up buildings was cool

Things I disliked

- No ability to go prone
- Vehicle handling
- Running around seemed a bit shitty cant really put my finger on it
- infinite respawn

Didnt think it was worth buying from the demo alone.

I was quite non-plussed by the demo, too. I think between the various CoDs, FL and R6V I've got all the military shooters I need right now.

No Goblins or Guitars in the demo. Will not buy.

Still playing Oblivion and GHIII then?

Yes. If I could figure out how to control Oblivion with the Les Paul I'll be creaming my jeans.

We should get some co-op goodness going.

Defo, although I'm only tentatively using four fingers.

I enjoy it so much, more so now I've unlocked The Number of the Beast.



Yeah so that Battlefield game eh.... (sorry)

or being able to import your Oblivion character into GHIII

That's killed it. That's as bad as "no jumping".

That's weird - I'm sure you can go prone in earlier BF games.

Indeed you can. So that's very weird indeed. And game-breakingly shit.

Agreed. You can go prone in Frontlines, btw.

FTFY. I really never missed the ability to go prone unless I played as a sniper. Which I did once, as I'm shite at it.

Prone is v. important in BF2 in order to hide from tanks.

A game where you can't go prone. I can't believe it didn't get flagged up in playtesting! Worse than Mercs 2.

Jumping is very important in Super Mario in order to collect mushrooms. Meh, anyway. I'm having fun *picks ears with keys* and that's all that matters.

BF1942 was the daddy... everything from controlling a simple infantryman to controlling an actual aircraft carrier (while other people are taking off and landing on it, too). Nothing since has *quite* matched it, nor the silliness potential of it.

You can control the ships in BF2, too.

But no prone?!?! It's madness.

In agreement, its a terrible terrible oversight, and means I wouldnt even consider buying it, let alone the other frustrations I saw from playing the demo.

It seemed to me the coolest thing about it was the destructable environments, and look what that did for Red Faction*


*"not a lot".

Erm... Can I ask what prone is please? I should know.. but I don't.

lying down flat with the floor.

Makes sense! Ta!!

How to hide from tanks 101.

Find a big bloody crater.
Hide in it.

Easy.

I've not had any issues with being unable to go prone in BF:Bad Company, and it helps to cut down the effectiveness of the snipers, so thats fine by me.

Me and Dimrill found exactly two things that Frontlines has over this:

1) The EMP rockets. But then we decided that if you enjoy using a weapon because every other weapon in the game sucks, then that doesn't count.

2)The map where you all jump in the helicopters and attack. But thats only fun till someone spoils it.

In every other way, BF:BC annihilates Frontlines. Something as simple as using the laser guided bomb makes me smile.

No prone = no deal.

Pretty much

I'm not really a great fan of realistic FPSs anyway, much prefering something like UTIII*, so I was always unlikely to get anything other than CoD4 (and I really only got that due to all the multiplayer shenanigans)

* - A variety of different guns all with quite distinct uses > a variety of quite similar guns with different accuracies/ranges/damage. Not having to spend ages trying to spot someone killing you from camoflage > Getting killed by some browny-grey dude on a browny-grey background.. Not having games ruined by snipers > having games where the entire other team is sniping and entrenched such that you can't really kill them. And so on.

I thought UT3 was plop when a friend let me borrow it.

Just didn't grab me.

Just saying that's more my type of FPS. See also: Excitement at DN3D being released in just over a week.

Prone was great in BF1942, in that you could go prone and 'slide'... quite often down a slope, at great speed.

Did BF2 have anything like the following, though?
-beaching the aircraft carrier
-flying a plane really low over the ocean, to pluck someone out who is about to drown (they hit 'get in vehicle' just as you pass overhead)
-filling a jeep with satchel charges, and then waiting for an enemy to get in
-two players both spawn on the submarine. The one who gets in first immediately submerges, leaving the other treading water and swearing.
-conversely, bringing a sub up underneat a pilot who is about to drown, to save them.
-frantically scrambling down the rapidly tilting deck of a sinking ship, trying to reach the landing craft at at the back
-mining the runway at the airport

I want for the 360 now please Perkies.

Exactly. BF1942 had it all right, because it was set in (shock, horror) WORLD WAR 2. Which meant all the manner of wacky vehicles from those days, not to mention mighty ships and subs, and slow propellor-driven aircraft. The current obsession with pretending we're in Eye-rak with helicopters and M-16s and such pretty much removes any chance for such shenanigans.

There was a huge realism mod for BF1942 called Forgotten Hope (which I think was being ported to BF2) which added even more potential for mirth, including lowering the deck elevator on the carrier just as someone was coming in to land, or backing your landing ship away from Juno beach so the poor bugger in the truck drives into deep water and sinks.

There was also the absolutely brilliant JU-52 paratrooper transport, where hours of fun could be had stumbling around inside the cabin trying to reach the door to jump out. That the pilot controlled the door made it even more entertaining.

Did you ever get to fight on a golf course, complete with buggies? hmm, did you?

That sounds a lot like Golf? but I was never able to get that running due to the mad system requirements.

Dedicated to those fools who think the inability to lie down is a deal breaker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_rvrHHWNdo

I've played the single player for several hours, and while the gameplay wasn't brilliant, the characters and humour really did help it stand out - the dialogue offers several genuinely amusing moments, well delivered. I won't be able to play it more fully since I no longer have access to a PPPS, but I'm not really heartbroken. It's a tad too repetitive and limited (there appear to be two weapons worth bothering with, ever) after a while in single player for me, but I can easily believe it's great fun in multiplayer.

Perkies - yes, BF2 allowed very similar fun to be had. It's almost the same game engine (and in fact has some identical maps, like Wake Island), just with better graffix and a different set of vehicles, weapons and skins.

I read something from developers about the prone issue, and it was roughly along these lines:

'Everyone was going prone as snipers, and ruining the game in playtesting, so we took it out.'

So, if your one of the wrong-headed twatmonkeys who are complaining about the lack of it, you are saying

'I don't care if my lying down severely affects the game experience in a negative way for everyone else, I want to do it. So there. Yes, I am a bit of a cock, thank you for noticing!'

I still can't believe you can't lie down.

You did miss:

Being the driver of the truck, and the other soldiers got in and happily sat down. And then you drove it off a cliff, jumping out at the last second.

Shit, I loved that game.

Yes, or getting in as bombardier in a plane where the pilot is only using it as a taxi, and jumps out over the destination.

This at least has survived into Frontlines, though nothing has yet matched the fun of running around the AC-130 in Desert Combat as an engineer, trying to keep it airworthy. It pitches and banks wildly as you try to keep your footing, twisting your wrench to keep the health bar full. Only, a direct hit is scored, and it plummets towards the ground... you try to scramble to the back to jump out the ramp with the other players, but the floor becomes to steep and you slide back down. Standing on the cockpit door (which is now the floor) you desperately pull your ripcord, your chute filling with air and suddenly your downward motion stops while the plane falls away from you. Excellent.

Finished this again last night on Hard. Such a good game.

Indeed. But aren't we all, in the end, computer generated shiney carapaced shrimps?

Indeed, I was pissed off the other day and wanted cheered up, so I started playing this again. As soon as Haggard said "You smell very clean" and then started shouting about Truckasaurus-rex that was me smiling again.

I think BF:BC2 will be a must have for me.