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Man, I thought this day would never come. Bye bye George.


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Time for another guy to do the opposite to what he claimed in his election campaign.

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Fuck off, cunt. Don't destroy the world as we know it on your way out.


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I really hope that Obama lives up to what he's said. Please don't let us down!

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I was all ready to sit down and watch a once-in-a-lifetime television programme about a successful Black man in his prime, only to discover that the bastards at the BBC have swapped Ready Steady Cook for something about some American wannabee politico.


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I was feeling swept along with all the hopefulness until proceedings seemed to be kicked off by some fucking evangelical preacher character who made a very long and slightly scary speech to ALMIGHTY GOD with his eyes shut. I'm struck by the realisation that there are exactly the same number of fucking nutters over there with pretty much exactly as much power and influence as they had before Obama got elected. He's the president, not a dictator.


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This is indeed a glorious day and one sadly I wasn't there to share the joy in :(

Still, the result is the main thing.. Good old Democrats. Hopefully now my pals will have an easier time of things.

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I'm struck by the realisation that there are exactly the same number of fucking nutters over there with pretty much exactly as much power and influence as they had before Obama got elected. He's the president, not a dictator.


:this:

I listened to part of his speech on the way home tonight. He is a good speaker, immeasurably better than dubya and his speech wasn't half as cringe-worthy as I thought it would be! I think changing the government and the economy will be an easier job than changing the American people and their perception of the world and their country. They did not respond at all his talk of the economy, markets, prospering as a nation instead of individuals etc. When he talked about defeating terrorists (briefly, thank fuck) and how America would once again be the world leader, you couldn't hear above the cheers and the oo-rahs.

I hoping he will good for the world, he talks the talk but then don't they all.

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After our lecture (Public law), we all decamped to the Union Bar, where Budweiser was 1.50 a pint and Guinness was as well. The place was decked out in stars and stripes and stuff. Even the bigger disco room was opened up with a buffet. Anyways, when important stuff was happening, there was complete silence in the room, as there was for Obama's speech. Broken only by GDL students graciously accepting the bubbly wine offered around by the bar staff, and then laughing when he listed faiths, and then ran with "non believers". Other than that, top stuff, and we like cheap and free drinks.

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Mind you, the cunt's already offed Ted Kennedy.

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Anyways, when important stuff was happening, there was complete silence in the room,


I don't know about you, but I think fluffing the oath is a very human response. He was taking on a bit of a responsibility.

[Preach mode]I did shudder as I listened to the oath. It represents, after all the peaceful transfer of power - despite our cynicism about politics we should be grateful that such handovers are conducted without bloodshed. [/preach mode]


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Anyways, when important stuff was happening, there was complete silence in the room,


I don't know about you, but I think fluffing the oath is a very human response. He was taking on a bit of a responsibility.

[Preach mode]I did shudder as I listened to the oath. It represents, after all the peaceful transfer of power - despite our cynicism about politics we should be grateful that such handovers are conducted without bloodshed. [/preach mode]


Must have missed that bit, I was having a slash.

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My favourite part of his speech:

The Pres wrote:
As for our common defence, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.
Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expediency’s sake.


I can't see Gordon Brown and BeeX's beloved Jacqui Smith saying anything like that, let alone acting upon it.


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I don't know about you, but I think fluffing the oath is a very human response. He was taking on a bit of a responsibility.


He didn't muck up the oath - the other bloke did.

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Well at least I can applaud this new feller as he's suspended trials at Guantanamo Bay and is looking to close it down. Good on him.

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Well at least I can applaud this new feller as he's suspended trials at Guantanamo Bay and is looking to close it down. Good on him.


See, he pals around with terrorists.


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His middle name is 'Hussein', after all.

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Obama's not going to be much better for us. He dislikes the British anyway.

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Obama's not going to be much better for us. He dislikes the British anyway.

Really? [citation needed]

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Obama's not going to be much better for us. He dislikes the British anyway.

Really? [citation needed]

Read his books.
See here, for starters.

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For despite Westminster's glutinous admiration for the new administration, there are signs the Obama White House is not that interested in the UK. The Ministry of Defence report pointing to doubts in Washington as to the effectiveness of Britain's armed forces is only the latest sign of a cooling in the "special relationship". Aside from the friendship education minister David Lammy enjoys with the president-elect, there has been a lack of government engagement with the transition team. Indeed, Downing Street officials came away from last summer's Obama talks with little sense of the future president's commitment to Britain's broader, global concerns outside of strategic US priorities. And it was not without note that Obama gave his signal address in Berlin, not London. None of which should have come as a surprise. Given that Dreams From My Father has topped the bestseller list since November, we should all be aware of Obama's ambiguous regard for the British. Of course, there is an abiding suspicion of Britain as the former imperial power in Kenya, with allegations that Obama's grandfather was tortured by British forces during the struggle for independence. Equally painful no doubt are Obama's memories of attending a stag do in Wokingham in 1996 involving a St Trinian's strippergram.

But whenever the British appear in Obama's autobiography, they play the caricature of reactionary old-world fogeys. On his flight to Kenya, Obama sits next to "a pale, gangly youth" in an ill-fitting blazer who condones apartheid South Africa. On safari, he meets the Wilkersons - British doctors working in Malawi who found England "terribly cramped" but could never really call Africa home: "'Sins of the father, you know'." And as Obama boards the train out of Nairobi, he thinks of his grandfather's struggle and conjures up "some nameless British officer" surveying the imperial landscape: "Would he have felt a sense of triumph, a confidence that the guiding light of western civilisation had finally penetrated the African darkness?" Finally, he imagines his late grandfather sitting out his old age in a freshly scrubbed hut but still hearing "the clipped voice of a British captain, explaining for the third and last time the correct proportion of tonic to gin".


Also this. There's loads more around - a drip drip drip of signs that he's not at all bothered about us.

Do some searching on the web for "Obama" and "British" or "Gordon Brown" and see what else comes up.

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As long as he doesn't actively hate us, I'm not really that bothered. It'll do us better in the long run to become bosom buddies of Europe than the US.

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I'm not surprised we'd be out of favour, as Bush toadies and Iraq war enablers, quite apart from anything else.

Frankly, I think a trial separation from the "special relationship" would be a good idea all round.


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Frankly, I think a trial separation from the "special relationship" would be a good idea all round.


Which other major power should we ally with in case of emergency? The Chinese? The Russians? The French?

Iraq was a mistake, certainly, but I don't think we can risk going solo just because Tony liked George's toothpaste.


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I'm not surprised we'd be out of favour, as Bush toadies and Iraq war enablers, quite apart from anything else.

Frankly, I think a trial separation from the "special relationship" would be a good idea all round.

Oh, too right. But what'll happen is that we'll keep doing stuff to help America, at our expense and the cost of British servicemen's lives, with nothing in return except the scorn of Barack Jesus Obama.

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"risk going solo"? I don't see Germany or Italy or anybody else pal-ing up to another country because it feels so bloody vulnerable and weak.

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I don't see Germany or Italy or anybody else pal-ing up to another country because it feels so bloody vulnerable and weak.


They're still in NATO, however.


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Frankly, I think a trial separation from the "special relationship" would be a good idea all round.


Which other major power should we ally with in case of emergency? The Chinese? The Russians? The French?


If only there was a union of states about the same size as the US, but closer to us geographically, culturally and in terms of general interest, and of which we were already a member. Say in Europe, perhaps.

Nah. Too far fetched.

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I don't see Germany or Italy or anybody else pal-ing up to another country because it feels so bloody vulnerable and weak.


They're still in NATO, however.


And the European Union, but being part of a "panel of nations" is different than this "special relationship" poo.


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Mr Chris wrote:
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Frankly, I think a trial separation from the "special relationship" would be a good idea all round.


Which other major power should we ally with in case of emergency? The Chinese? The Russians? The French?


If only there was a union of states about the same size as the US, but closer to us geographically, culturally and in terms of general interest, and of which we were already a member. Say in Europe, perhaps.

Nah. Too far fetched.


Quite. See my post on the the previous page.

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I don't see Germany or Italy or anybody else pal-ing up to another country because it feels so bloody vulnerable and weak.


They're still in NATO, however.


And the European Union, but being part of a "panel of nations" is different than this "special relationship" poo.


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Any of you guys read "Incompetence" by Rob Grant?

Apart from being a cracking read and very funny, it deals with the US fear that a unified europe would be a very powerful and influential force. A character in the book attempts to prolong the unification to strengthen the US. I can see that the Americans would be terrified of us if we could just get our bloody act together.

Why have no high-ranking politicians mentioned the Euro as a possible solution to the credit crisis and the devaluing pound?


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As long as he doesn't actively hate us, I'm not really that bothered. It'll do us better in the long run to become bosom buddies of Europe than the US.


:this:

The "special relationship" proved itself to be entirely one-sided under Bush I, II and Clinton. The US treat us as little more than a runway and refuelling point. Despite that, Blair and Brown rush like little poodles to sit at the right hand of the master.

I rather suspect it is because the CIA have photos of Thatcher giving Reagan a blowjob in the Oval Office. They've got us under their thumb and they know it.

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Why have no high-ranking politicians mentioned the Euro as a possible solution to the credit crisis and the devaluing pound?


Because it isn't one. Switching currency doesn't suddenly make businesses profitable, increase availability of lending, or restore consumer confidence.

It would do something about the weak pound - but we only think the weak pound is a problem because we've had a strong pound for so long. That and because Curio speculated on the currency market with the most important day of his life ;)

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Why have no high-ranking politicians mentioned the Euro as a possible solution to the credit crisis and the devaluing pound?


It would do something about the weak pound - but we only think the weak pound is a problem because we've had a strong pound for so long.


As a chap about to take a holiday in America in six weeks, I certainly think the weak pound's a problem! Give me back my overly-favourable exchange rate! >:( :'(

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Why have no high-ranking politicians mentioned the Euro as a possible solution to the credit crisis and the devaluing pound?


Because it isn't one. Switching currency doesn't suddenly make businesses profitable, increase availability of lending, or restore consumer confidence.

It would do something about the weak pound - but we only think the weak pound is a problem because we've had a strong pound for so long. That and because Curio speculated on the currency market with the most important day of his life ;)


It might stabilise us though. When you've got people here talking about printing more money to prop up stock market traded banks, it starts to look a lot more attractive.


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Is the Eurozone in a significantly better state? I thought Greece, Spain and Italy were even more screwed, with France and Germany not massively better off.


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They are indeed. There is this odd perception that this financial situation is a UK problem, when nothing could be further from the truth.

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Is the Eurozone in a significantly better state? I thought Greece, Spain and Italy were even more screwed, with France and Germany not massively better off.

They're not as bad as us. Also - Germany always has its well-worn "plan B" for solving economic problems.

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You are using the 'Ted' forum. Bill doesn't really exist any more. Bogus!
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