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Author:  GazChap [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 20:16 ]
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Crashed 3 out of 4?

Jeez, on a M3 your insurance premiums must be in fucking orbit.
Author:  DBSnappa [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 20:17 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
I had 1-2 hours a week for a year and 3 fails. No driving beyond that, and the failures were stupid mistakes borne of panic. Tut.

But look at me, I've only crashed 3 of the 4 cars I've owned since picking up the wheel in 2001-ish (having passed in 1995 and then not driven)!

I shouldn't be allowed an M3, should I?


I'd say no :kiss:

Something in pale blue with handlebars seems more appropriate :DD
Author:  BikNorton [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 20:17 ]
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Protected no claims, innit. And 2 of them I didn't claim on because they didn't (seem to) warrant it. Still a year and a half before I get to stop declaring the one I did. Sigh.

The M3 was under a grand in April - less than half what it was the first year. When I move I'll be halving the value and annual mileage, which should counter any area premiums.
Author:  DBSnappa [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 20:19 ]
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myoptikakaka wrote:
The driving test is longer and more difficult now compared to back in the day when you took it, old timer. There can only have been about ten cars back in Wales back then, anyway. ;)


You're not wrong. I passed my driving test in 1986. My test was 17 minutes long.
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 20:43 ]
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kalmar wrote:
I put meths and washing up liquid in the washer bottle.


I drink the meths and add the washing up liquid into the coolant.
Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 20:51 ]
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I passed 4 years ago. Total of 20 lessons and one fail due to my own silliness. Only 2 minors when I passed second time, so mom and pop instructors are fine. Best thing is... block bookings. Book 5 or 10 lessons in a row and you'll get a discount
Author:  metalangel [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 21:34 ]
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I had lessons and passed a test in Canandandadadada when I was 17... I think I had about 15 lessons, granted this was with a) a big company and b) doing the bizarro choice of learning on a 'manual'.

Think I had about eight or so lessons in the UK both to learn the rules and refresh long-dormant skills when I was 23. With a local independent instructor.

Seventy eight, though, fucking hell. That cannot possibly be right, a huge number of motorcycle schools aim to take you from having just passed your CBT to having your full unrestricted licence in three or four days, which in no way can be the equivalent of 78 lessons.
Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 21:37 ]
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guy i used to work with had over 100 and failed his test 5 times
Author:  BikNorton [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 0:15 ]
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I might have to get Grim... to have a drive of my car when he's up, if I don't get it looked at before (I figure it might be a good thing to do before driving to Bruges at the start of Feb, for instance).
Author:  Zio [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:34 ]
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I actually only learned to drive in 2007 and I think it took 30-odd lessons for me to get through. I failed the theory first time on the bullshit moneyspinner that is the hazard perception test, but passed the practical first time. My examiner must've either been on some kind of quota or he felt sorry for me or something, as I passed despite making a huge fuckup. Basically, I was coming up to a roundabout which I had to go across, I'd slowed down, checked all round and yet somehow missed the car coming from the right. I had to emergency brake to avoid going straight into the side of him.

Obviously I was convinced I'd failed at this point, so I just calmly got the car moving again and carried on. When we got back to the test centre, the examiner told me that there was no question I'd screwed up by not seeing the car, but he was so impressed with how I handled the situation he felt he couldn't fail me for it.
Author:  devilman [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:36 ]
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I was told the average number of lessons is 40ish. All I'd advise is if taking proper lessons with an instructor is to try and get some 2-hour lessons in there. I didn't particularly enjoy them but it helped more than just hour-long sessions.

Haven't driven for nearly a near though now and don't miss it.
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:11 ]
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Harumph! Zio's 'fuckup' was much worse than mine, and I got failed on it.

Basically I was turning left out of a t-junction with parked cars on the main road, restricting view. I crawled forward to get a better view and a taxi driver I hadn't seen had to slow down to let me out.

Harumph!
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:22 ]
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I passed my test first time, waaaaaaaaaaaay back when I was 17, so no theory test then just the 'what's this sign mean' and stopping distance questions at the end.

Windscreen Wiper Update: Working fine
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:23 ]
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I took twelve lessons for my car licence, I think. Maybe thirteen.
I got one minor fault, which was for waving thankyou at an oncoming driver when he stopped to let a bunch of us past a parked car.
Fuck you, examiner.
I didn't take any for my tractor test, and passed that despite nearly driving over a parked car.

Annoyingly, I missed out on the granddad towing licence by about a month (although I can tow 40 tonnes with a tractor), so I'm taking a +E (I think) test soon.
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:26 ]
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My driving license is shit. The missus can drive all sorts of exciting things, but mine is just cars. Boo!
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:26 ]
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I didn't get a single fault on my motorbike test.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:28 ]
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I got some for my u-turn and my emergency stop wasn't that good (if anyone stepped out in front of me I'd have hit them) but it was raining, damnit.
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:30 ]
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My 2 faults were trivial. I waited until the last minute to merge at roadworks and I slightly ground the gears when slowing down.
Author:  kalmar [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:31 ]
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No faults on the car test, I think one minor on the motorbike test (the stupid thing cut out and I had to restart it while coasting at 1 mph half way through a junction).
Author:  kalmar [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:32 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
My 2 faults were trivial. I waited until the last minute to merge at roadworks and I slightly ground the gears when slowing down.


Should've double-declutched. They totally love that.
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:33 ]
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kalmar wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
My 2 faults were trivial. I waited until the last minute to merge at roadworks and I slightly ground the gears when slowing down.


Should've double-declutched. They totally love that.


I've never understood what that is.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:37 ]
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Say you're going from third to second:
Clutch in, into neutral, clutch out. Clutch in, into second, clutch out.
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:39 ]
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You *had* to do in the old days. Before syncromesh *risks exposing himself as a big faker*
Author:  myp [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:40 ]
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I see MPW got a duck. He'd better do something special with the ball.
Author:  kalmar [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:42 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Clutch in, into neutral, clutch out. *blip throttle for bonus points*, Clutch in, into second, clutch out.



:P at myp
Author:  GazChap [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:56 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
I waited until the last minute to merge at roadworks.

Interesting, as this is what you're supposed to do - it's called zip-merging, or merging in turn. Helps traffic flow immensely, but everyone's frightened to do it in this country because you always get some tosser who beeps you because he thinks you're jumping the queue.

Failed my test first time. 14 minor faults, 2 serious and 1 dangerous. That was after a 30-hour intensive driving course. 30 hours of learning to drive in 5 days, with the test at the end.

It was a couple of years before I started learning again, I had about 8 refresher lessons and then the test, and I passed with four minor faults.
Author:  kalmar [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:17 ]
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GazChap wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
I waited until the last minute to merge at roadworks.

Interesting, as this is what you're supposed to do - it's called zip-merging, or merging in turn. Helps traffic flow immensely, but everyone's frightened to do it in this country because you always get some tosser who beeps you because he thinks you're jumping the queue.


This! I always do it anyway. If I'm in my van I'm guaranteed to get away with it - nothing like a dented-to-fuck dirty white van being driven 'confidently' for putting people off starting a dick waving contest.
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:18 ]
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kalmar wrote:
GazChap wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
I waited until the last minute to merge at roadworks.

Interesting, as this is what you're supposed to do - it's called zip-merging, or merging in turn. Helps traffic flow immensely, but everyone's frightened to do it in this country because you always get some tosser who beeps you because he thinks you're jumping the queue.


This! I always do it anyway. If I'm in my van I'm guaranteed to get away with it - nothing like a dented-to-fuck dirty white van being driven 'confidently' for putting people off starting a dick waving contest.



I always do it.
Author:  kalmar [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:20 ]
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MaliA wrote:

I always do it. Nothing like an eyepatch, a parrot in a cage in the back and an insane, blood-crazed glint in your remaining eye for putting people off starting a dick waving contest.


Projected image FTFY
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:21 ]
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I tend to merge with around 100-200 yds to go, mainly to get out your way, you road hogs!
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:29 ]
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kalmar wrote:
MaliA wrote:

I always do it. Nothing like an eyepatch, a parrot in a cage in the back and an insane, blood-crazed glint in your remaining eye for putting people off starting a dick waving contest.


Projected image FTFY


Heh. Ratty car makes merging easy.
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:30 ]
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*get's Malia's address from number plate*
Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:32 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
*get's Malia's address from number plate*


It'd be quicker to ask...
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:33 ]
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MaliA wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
*get's Malia's address from number plate*


It'd be quicker to ask...

I'm a polite stalker. You'll never know I'm there.
Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 13:42 ]
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kalmar wrote:
GazChap wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
I waited until the last minute to merge at roadworks.

Interesting, as this is what you're supposed to do - it's called zip-merging, or merging in turn. Helps traffic flow immensely, but everyone's frightened to do it in this country because you always get some tosser who beeps you because he thinks you're jumping the queue.


This! I always do it anyway. If I'm in my van I'm guaranteed to get away with it - nothing like a dented-to-fuck dirty white van being driven 'confidently' for putting people off starting a dick waving contest.

See also: Off-road equipped 4x4s. And tractors. And (by far the best thing to drive through London at rush hour on a Friday) traction engines.
Author:  Squirt [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 13:50 ]
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Grim... wrote:
And (by far the best thing to drive through London at rush hour on a Friday) traction engines.


I'd very much like to witness that, if it's that fancy steam tractor thing you've shown here before. A showdown between that and one of those teeny g-wiz cars would be a sight to behold.
Author:  Malabelm [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 13:55 ]
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Car lessons up here are about £20-25 an hour, with the driving schools being slightly more expensive and, as has been pointed out, a much longer experience; I've never, ever, seen a driving school car being driven confidently. Ever. Use recommendations to find an instructor.

I had about 20 lessons before I was ready to take my test, then I broke my wrist and haven't had chance to pick it back up again. Hopefully some time this year, if I can afford it.

With regards to the bike licence: I passed my CBT first time, picked up a 125 and rode several thousand miles on it, then signed up for a Direct Access course. Two full days of lessons, then an hour before the test itself, and I passed first time with two minor faults, both for undue hesitation: one for not noticing a slight gap infront of the cycle lane section at some traffic lights, the other for waiting too long at a roundabout.
Author:  kalmar [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 14:27 ]
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You can't even drive!
Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 14:29 ]
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kalmar wrote:
You can't even drive!

LOL. Memories :)

I shouted this at my older brother when I passed before him.
Author:  Malabelm [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 14:32 ]
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kalmar wrote:
You can't even drive!


>:(

*punches Miss Malabar*
Author:  Cras [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 14:50 ]
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GazChap wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
I waited until the last minute to merge at roadworks.

Interesting, as this is what you're supposed to do - it's called zip-merging, or merging in turn


Odd, because it's not what you're supposed to do when a lane disappears - hence the white arrows demonstrating that the disappearing lane has to merge into the other lane, rather than them both merging together.
Author:  myp [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 15:14 ]
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I thought you were only meant to merge in turn when you see the signs 'Merge in Turn'. If it was something you were meant to do as a matter of course, why would they put those up? It'd be like putting up signs saying 'Use Indicators When Changing Lanes'.
Author:  MrChris [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 15:19 ]
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myoptikakaka wrote:
It'd be like putting up signs saying 'Use Indicators When Changing Lanes'.

That's not to say we couldn't bloody well do with those too, of course.
Author:  kalmar [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 15:22 ]
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myoptikakaka wrote:
I thought you were only meant to merge in turn when you see the signs 'Merge in Turn'. If it was something you were meant to do as a matter of course, why would they put those up? It'd be like putting up signs saying 'Use Indicators When Changing Lanes'.


Or signs saying "Return to left after overtaking".
Or "Tiredness kills, take a break".
Or "Please drive carefully".

Which they do.

Or any of the dozens of other things that they apparently need to put on signs because idiots don't have common sense, but would run out of metal if they had to put them everywhere.
Author:  Malabelm [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 15:25 ]
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I wonder how many people have crashed while looking at signs.
Author:  kalmar [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 15:27 ]
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Malabar Front wrote:
I wonder how many people have crashed while looking at signs.


Image

(sorry)
Author:  MrChris [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 15:29 ]
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Malabar Front wrote:
I wonder how many people have crashed while looking at signs.

We need a "Take Care While Reading Signs" sign

There's a patch of country road near us that has had quite a few accidents, so some fed up local farmer put signs every 20 meters along the stretch saying things like "Kill Your Speed - Not yourself", "It's not big and clever to go fast, you know" and such like, but in fairly small writing. Each of these signs is right before a blind corner. Clever, clever man.
Author:  DBSnappa [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 15:37 ]
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Mr Kissyfur wrote:
myoptikakaka wrote:
It'd be like putting up signs saying 'Use Indicators When Changing Lanes'.

That's not to say we couldn't bloody well do with those too, of course.

You'd think indicators were an optional extra on most of the cars around here, and the car owners were too tight to tick the box.
Author:  DBSnappa [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 15:38 ]
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kalmar wrote:
Malabar Front wrote:
I wonder how many people have crashed while looking at signs.


Image

(sorry)


Oooh, that's a bit fucking harsh :DD
Author:  Malabelm [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 15:47 ]
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kalmar wrote:
Malabar Front wrote:
I wonder how many people have crashed while looking at signs.


Image

(sorry)


I'm never being a dragonfly in your dreams again :'(
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