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"Get in the house, Carl!"
CUT TO: Carl isn't in the house.

Most annoyingly imperilled offspring since Jack Bauer's daughter in 24.

Seen the season finale yeasterday. I like this show, but i got the impression that it could be so much better. Looking back, nothing much happened in this season, mostly because while the writers were aiming for more character development the characters

I think that other than a slow start, the second series was better than the first. It really ramped up throughout the series until very thing came to a head at the end.

Very interested to see where it goes next series.

Curiosity wrote:

I found the shot of the big prison and appearance of the person with the zombies on chains to be portents of utter tedium and perhaps an ill-advised swerve into Mad Max territory. Hope I'm wrong.

Darabont got binned off, didn't he?

“…I was really given no choice. I don’t understand the thinking behind, ‘Oh, this is the most successful show in the history of basic cable. Let’s gut the budgets now.’ I never did understand that and I think they got tired of hearing me complain about it. It’s a little more complicated than that, but that’s as far as I want to go with it because otherwise it’s just provoking more controversy and that’s not really of interest to me. I just want to keep my head down and do my job and be allowed to do my job, that’s key, and continue to, hopefully, enjoy it and do good work.”

I found the shot of the big prison and appearance of the person with the zombies on chains to be portents of utter tedium and perhaps an ill-advised swerve into Mad Max territory. Hope I'm wrong.

the Samurai Zombie S&M dude was a little jarring at the end. Intrigued to find out what all that's about.

Surely that was a samurai S&M LADY?

David Morrissey to play The Governor

*cue 'Heaven Knows He's Miserable Now' jokes*

Yeah, The Walking Dead's main problem is that I wouldn't really give a tiny shit if the whole lot of them got et.

Yeah, about four episodes ago my wife started actively rooting for the zombies. I'm not quite at that stage but holy crap this show needs to add a few characters I give a toss about.

Fairly good finale, but I really wish Carl dies soon. Fucking little shit with useless parents. I want him to die so his parents can see how fucking useless they are at parenting.

I've still been enjoying it, but the end of Series 2 was a bit of an abrupt shift. All of a sudden Rick's all like "I'M IN CHARGE" for no particular reason I could discern (christ knows enough similar setbacks have happened in the past that could have triggered it if that's all it takes for him to go Absolute Ruler on them), and Lori gets pissed at him because he defends himself from the Shane. I can understand Lori getting pissed randomly as OH MY GOD SHE'S THE MOST ANNOYING CHARACTER IN THE WORLD ACTED BY ONE OF THE MOST ANNOYING ACTORS, but the Rick thing was just odd.

Spoiler-tastic. I might as well watch the trailer, then.

How was the Rick thing odd?

His inaction had at least indirectly brought about a lot of bad things for the group, including a lot of deaths. He reckons had he done things his way things would have been better, and needs to stand up for himself more to protect his family and his people.

It was such an abrupt thing, though, and if a fuck up was all it too, he'd made enough of them in the past. It just seemed out of character - more like Shane than like Rick.

Grim... wrote:

Spoiler-tastic. I might as well watch the trailer, then.

I thought you'd watched Series 2 and were talking about series 3 starting tonight?

Curiosity wrote:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

It was such an abrupt thing, though, and if a fuck up was all it too, he'd made enough of them in the past. It just seemed out of character - more like Shane than like Rick.

in order to get rid of Shane he had to become more like Shane, raising the questions for S3 over whether he'll be able to retain his humanity better than Shane did when confronted with hard decisions. Rick has managed to stay as a good guy, on the whole, but now...

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Spoiler-tastic. I might as well watch the trailer, then.

I thought you'd watched Series 2 and were talking about series 3 starting tonight?

The bit that was a spoiler was the bit you've not hidden in your original post!

Craster wrote:

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Spoiler-tastic. I might as well watch the trailer, then.

I thought you'd watched Series 2 and were talking about series 3 starting tonight?

The bit that was a spoiler was the bit you've not hidden in your original post!

HE'S IN THE YOUTUBE PICTURE IN ZAPHOD'S POST!

One could argue that

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

Pretty much this. An almost constant motif in the comics is Rick swithering over how much of a bastard to be. On one hand if he acts really hardcore and controlling he's probably keeping people alive; but if any of his decisions backfire he personally has doomed everyone because he's brooked no arguments. Also, there's some agonising over the fact that living a more paranoid and cynical life eats away at your humanity a bit thus raising the question of whether it's then 'worth' surviving to live such a life. The end to season 2 is them presumably ramping that up to begin bringing things into line with the comic version of Rick and his dynamic with the rest of the group. I can't actually remember what triggered that change in the comics but I suspect it was some of the later more harrowing events that they haven't got to yet in the TV series, which would probably make it more of an understandable attitude change. For whatever pacing reasons though they've brought that character change forward which maybe does undermine it a bit.

Curiosity wrote:

One could argue that

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

Would the damn kid just die please. I bet the whole of series 3 is the kid running around getting in more trouble and getting away without a telling off while rick and lori just argue about shane or something.

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Craster wrote:

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Spoiler-tastic. I might as well watch the trailer, then.

I thought you'd watched Series 2 and were talking about series 3 starting tonight?

The bit that was a spoiler was the bit you've not hidden in your original post!

HE'S IN THE YOUTUBE PICTURE IN ZAPHOD'S POST!

Which I can't see.

Grim... wrote:

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Craster wrote:

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Spoiler-tastic. I might as well watch the trailer, then.

I thought you'd watched Series 2 and were talking about series 3 starting tonight?

The bit that was a spoiler was the bit you've not hidden in your original post!

HE'S IN THE YOUTUBE PICTURE IN ZAPHOD'S POST!

Which I can't see.

I don't live in your eyeballs, so I was unaware of this.

The character was also in an episode of season 2 as a spirit

Well, yes, that was the case in the comics, but in the TV series that element of Rick's character has been completely absent up until now, hence my feeling this was a bit of an abrupt personality change.

For whatever pacing reasons though they've brought that character change forward which maybe does undermine it a bit.

It's not just bringing the character change forward, it's completely leaving out any build up to it. The comics had a lot of foreshadowing on Rick going nutzoid - and, more importantly, he was given far, far more reason to do so.

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

I thought it was a rather sudden change.

I haven't read the books, but I thought the character changes happens because in the books, there is no Shane, Shane was Rick's Alter ego, which they had to adapt for TV. So the Character change, such that it is, is the Shane (Bad) element of Ricks Psyche taking over. In practical terms then, it would have been better for Shane to kill Rick, although you can't do that, as then there would be no Egg.

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

Is this a quote from somewhere?

Author:	RuySan [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:51 ]
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Seen the season finale yeasterday. I like this show, but i got the impression that it could be so much better. Looking back, nothing much happened in this season, mostly because while the writers were aiming for more character development the characters are mostly, with probably the exception of Daryl, the asian guy and Herschel (and his cute daughter of course), completely uninteresting or annoying. But most of all Lori and Carl are the most unlikable characters that i can think of. Lori in particular must die. Painfully.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 14:45 ]
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"Get in the house, Carl!" CUT TO: Carl isn't in the house. Most annoyingly imperilled offspring since Jack Bauer's daughter in 24.

Author:	MaliA [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 14:46 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: "Get in the house, Carl!" CUT TO: Carl isn't in the house. Most annoyingly imperilled offspring since Jack Bauer's daughter in 24. I'd deffo imperil her.

Author:	Cras [ Tue Mar 20, 2012 14:50 ]
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Yeah, The Walking Dead's main problem is that I wouldn't really give a tiny shit if the whole lot of them got et.

Author:	MaliA [ Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:05 ]
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Not sure how ai felt about most of this episode. I struggle to recall who is who at times. I feel less blue balled than at the end of the last series but still very 'meh'. When it is good, it's awesome, otherwise it is Terra Nova with dead people.

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Author:	Nemmie [ Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:42 ]
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So much wrongness it makes my head hurt.

Author:	Hearthly [ Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:47 ]
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RuySan wrote: Seen the season finale yeasterday. I like this show, but i got the impression that it could be so much better. Looking back, nothing much happened in this season, mostly because while the writers were aiming for more character development the characters Isn't that because: a) They didn't have any money and b) Darabont fucked off? I loved the first series but I'd already decided to give the second series a miss before it started.

Author:	GovernmentYard [ Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:50 ]
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Darabont got binned off, didn't he? Scour io9 for various half-stories about this and what he had planned if he'd stayed.

Author:	Curiosity [ Sat Mar 24, 2012 22:32 ]
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I think that other than a slow start, the second series was better than the first. It really ramped up throughout the series until very thing came to a head at the end. Very interested to see where it goes next series.

Author:	GovernmentYard [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:58 ]
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People are right - they should add some people I care about soon. Or at least some popsies to augment the one they've got presently. I''d watch it even if it were just zombies wandering around, but they could make me give more of a fuck about the humans.

Author:	markg [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:47 ]
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Curiosity wrote: I think that other than a slow start, the second series was better than the first. It really ramped up throughout the series until very thing came to a head at the end. Very interested to see where it goes next series. I found the shot of the big prison and appearance of the person with the zombies on chains to be portents of utter tedium and perhaps an ill-advised swerve into Mad Max territory. Hope I'm wrong.

Author:	Curiosity [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:21 ]
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markg wrote: Curiosity wrote: I think that other than a slow start, the second series was better than the first. It really ramped up throughout the series until very thing came to a head at the end. Very interested to see where it goes next series. I found the shot of the big prison and appearance of the person with the zombies on chains to be portents of utter tedium and perhaps an ill-advised swerve into Mad Max territory. Hope I'm wrong. Tedium? I thought it looked awesome! I'm avoiding spoilers, but from what I've heard the prison is supposed to be awesome, and anything but boring.

Author:	Hearthly [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:40 ]
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GovernmentYard wrote: Darabont got binned off, didn't he? As best I can tell (and this ties in with what I read at the time), he was increasingly under pressure from the studio to make more programmes, for less money, in less time, with ridiculous edicts coming from the studio such as 'film half of it indoors to save cash' - and Darabont wasn't prepared to take it lying down. http://screenrant.com/frank-darabont-wa ... an-147594/ Quote: “…I was really given no choice. I don’t understand the thinking behind, ‘Oh, this is the most successful show in the history of basic cable. Let’s gut the budgets now.’ I never did understand that and I think they got tired of hearing me complain about it. It’s a little more complicated than that, but that’s as far as I want to go with it because otherwise it’s just provoking more controversy and that’s not really of interest to me. I just want to keep my head down and do my job and be allowed to do my job, that’s key, and continue to, hopefully, enjoy it and do good work.”

Author:	Cras [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 19:59 ]
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Author:	Zardoz [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:39 ]
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markg wrote: I found the shot of the big prison and appearance of the person with the zombies on chains to be portents of utter tedium and perhaps an ill-advised swerve into Mad Max territory. Hope I'm wrong. Can't see the problem with the prison (could be a nice mix of safe haven but with caged walkers) but yeah, the Samurai Zombie S&M dude was a little jarring at the end. Intrigued to find out what all that's about. Crossbow Redneck dude is by far the best character. that Carl will release.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:41 ]
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Surely that was a samurai S&M LADY?

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:42 ]
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Zardoz wrote: the Samurai Zombie S&M dude was a little jarring at the end. Intrigued to find out what all that's about. Suffice to say, it's a cool new character that people who've read the books have been waiting to encounter. And Curio is right.

Author:	Zardoz [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:54 ]
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I don't care if it's a man or a woman. As long as it slaughters Lori. What a cunt she was in that last episode.

Author:	Cras [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:07 ]
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Curiosity wrote: Surely that was a samurai S&M LADY? Definitely.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:13 ]
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Oooh! Casting spoiler for Season 3! (I have no idea if this is a particularly prominent role or not, but either way, an actor I like. No plot points revealed inside spoiler) ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! David Morrissey to play The Governor cue 'Heaven Knows He's Miserable Now' jokes

Author:	Rodafowa [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:37 ]
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Craster wrote: Yeah, The Walking Dead's main problem is that I wouldn't really give a tiny shit if the whole lot of them got et. Yeah, about four episodes ago my wife started actively rooting for the zombies. I'm not quite at that stage but holy crap this show needs to add a few characters I give a toss about. That being said, even with its dragging pace and glaring flaws the second season was a definite improvement over the first. Also: this is the first thing my son has watched that elicited the response "it's OK but I preferred the comic." I've raised the next generation of Internet nerd-snob. I could not be more proud.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:42 ]
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Rodafowa wrote: Yeah, about four episodes ago my wife started actively rooting for the zombies. I'm not quite at that stage but holy crap this show needs to add a few characters I give a toss about.

Author:	Zardoz [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:54 ]
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Ages now until the next season.

Author:	GovernmentYard [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 13:44 ]
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Still like it, nonetheless I'm glad of the break. Game of thrones for a bit, then Dr. Who, then Walking dead again. That'll do.

Author:	nickachu [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 15:10 ]
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Fairly good finale, but I really wish Carl dies soon. Fucking little shit with useless parents. I want him to die so his parents can see how fucking useless they are at parenting.

Author:	MaliA [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 15:11 ]
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nickachu wrote: Fairly good finale, but I really wish Carl dies soon. Fucking little shit with useless parents. I want him to die so his parents can see how fucking useless they are at parenting. They escape to Portugal next series.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 14:21 ]
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Season 3 trailer ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

Author:	Grim... [ Tue Oct 09, 2012 23:38 ]
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New series starts on Sunday!

Author:	MrChris [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:37 ]
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I had a feeling the one handed redneck would be back. I'm surpised it took so long. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! I've still been enjoying it, but the end of Series 2 was a bit of an abrupt shift. All of a sudden Rick's all like "I'M IN CHARGE" for no particular reason I could discern (christ knows enough similar setbacks have happened in the past that could have triggered it if that's all it takes for him to go Absolute Ruler on them), and Lori gets pissed at him because he defends himself from the Shane. I can understand Lori getting pissed randomly as OH MY GOD SHE'S THE MOST ANNOYING CHARACTER IN THE WORLD ACTED BY ONE OF THE MOST ANNOYING ACTORS, but the Rick thing was just odd.

Author:	Grim... [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:45 ]
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Spoiler-tastic. I might as well watch the trailer, then.

Author:	Curiosity [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:11 ]
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How was the Rick thing odd? His inaction had at least indirectly brought about a lot of bad things for the group, including a lot of deaths. He reckons had he done things his way things would have been better, and needs to stand up for himself more to protect his family and his people.

Author:	MrChris [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:36 ]
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Grim... wrote: Spoiler-tastic. I might as well watch the trailer, then. I thought you'd watched Series 2 and were talking about series 3 starting tonight?

Author:	MrChris [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:37 ]
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Curiosity wrote: How was the Rick thing odd? His inaction had at least indirectly brought about a lot of bad things for the group, including a lot of deaths. He reckons had he done things his way things would have been better, and needs to stand up for himself more to protect his family and his people. ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! It was such an abrupt thing, though, and if a fuck up was all it too, he'd made enough of them in the past. It just seemed out of character - more like Shane than like Rick.

Author:	Cras [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:38 ]
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Mr Kissyfur wrote: Grim... wrote: Spoiler-tastic. I might as well watch the trailer, then. I thought you'd watched Series 2 and were talking about series 3 starting tonight? The bit that was a spoiler was the bit you've not hidden in your original post!