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Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 14:48 ]
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myp it wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Is this only effecting folk who made an EA BATTLELOG account thingy?

No, it's affected anyone who's signed up to an EA account in order to play one of their games online. Fifa 12 was affected too.

I cba to do the Fifa 12 online thing. Also, although I had done it for Fifa (previous year) title, it appears that it hasn't carried over from the old system, probably as I havent updated my account on the migration.

Author:  metalangel [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:03 ]
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myp it wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Is this only effecting folk who made an EA BATTLELOG account thingy?

No, it's affected anyone who's signed up to an EA account in order to play one of their games online. Fifa 12 was affected too.


That also includes Burny Pee, people.

Author:  TheVision [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:10 ]
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What about Burny Crash?

Author:  WTB [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:28 ]
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One of Xbox Live's crucial vulnerabilities is the fact that a lot of people use a Hotmail address to login. I do, and I've had my Hotmail address since 2002. Imagine all of the people who haven't changed their Hotmail password since 2002. Almost all of them will have been phished at some point. Hell, even my Hotmail was phished a year or so ago - I was sending spam emails out from it. Fortunately I logged in one day out of chance an noticed before changing my password. I'm seriously careful online and I regularly scan for evils, but I still got my Hotmail phished because due to its popularity there are so many places it can be phished from.

So yeah, change your passwords guys.

Author:  kalmar [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:32 ]
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metalangel wrote:
That also includes Burny Pee, people.


Oh, brilliant. Not believing this, I just found the email for my EA account (dated 2008 and never accessed, obviously).

Author:  myp [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:36 ]
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Seriously, change your password - EVERYONE.

Author:  kalmar [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:37 ]
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WTB wrote:
One of Xbox Live's crucial vulnerabilities is the fact that a lot of people use a Hotmail address to login. I do, and I've had my Hotmail address since 2002. Imagine all of the people who haven't changed their Hotmail password since 2002. Almost all of them will have been phished at some point. Hell, even my Hotmail was phished a year or so ago - I was sending spam emails out from it. Fortunately I logged in one day out of chance an noticed before changing my password. I'm seriously careful online and I regularly scan for evils, but I still got my Hotmail phished because due to its popularity there are so many places it can be phished from.

So yeah, change your passwords guys.


8)

Wut? Phishing means typing your login into a page that purports to be your webmail account but isn't, yes? So how did you manage to do that? And why would you say "almost all" such accounts would have been successfully broken into in this way?

Author:  kalmar [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:37 ]
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myp it wrote:
Seriously, change your password - EVERYONE.


I don't even know what mine is, the xbox just logs in automatically.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:40 ]
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kalmar wrote:
myp it wrote:
Seriously, change your password - EVERYONE.


I don't even know what mine is, the xbox just logs in automatically.


You will have an email address associated with it which is how you log into xbox.com , they have buttons there for "forgot your password" , click it , get a new one (secure so mixed cAsE and numbers/symbols) and then type it in once when your next on your Xbox

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:42 ]
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It's your MSN account AKA Live account AKA passport account.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:43 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
It's your MSN account AKA Live account AKA passport account.


I'm looking at it now, but can't see a 'reset password' screen.

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:45 ]
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zaphod79 wrote:
kalmar wrote:
myp it wrote:
Seriously, change your password - EVERYONE.


I don't even know what mine is, the xbox just logs in automatically.


You will have an email address associated with it which is how you log into xbox.com , they have buttons there for "forgot your password" , click it , get a new one (secure so mixed cAsE and numbers/symbols) and then type it in once when your next on your Xbox

Bearing in mind the large majority of xbox live users, I would suggest that using single case makes your account less vulnerable.

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:46 ]
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Login to http://www.live.com, click your name in the top right, select account.

Author:  BikNorton [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:48 ]
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Huh. After being panicked about Burny Pee (though I'm on PS3 for that) I remembered I'd already changed mine since then, for some reason. Excellent.

Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:49 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
Huh. After being panicked about Burny Pee (though I'm on PS3 for that) I remembered I'd already changed mine since then, for some reason. Excellent.

Now move onto stage 2 and cancel your bankcards.

Author:  MaliA [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:50 ]
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
BikNorton wrote:
Huh. After being panicked about Burny Pee (though I'm on PS3 for that) I remembered I'd already changed mine since then, for some reason. Excellent.

Now move onto stage 2 and cancel your bankcards.


I has no monies? I needs change bankcards?

Author:  Trooper [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:51 ]
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Stage 3, get your own domain and use a different email for everything...

Author:  WTB [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:51 ]
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kalmar wrote:
WTB wrote:
One of Xbox Live's crucial vulnerabilities is the fact that a lot of people use a Hotmail address to login. I do, and I've had my Hotmail address since 2002. Imagine all of the people who haven't changed their Hotmail password since 2002. Almost all of them will have been phished at some point. Hell, even my Hotmail was phished a year or so ago - I was sending spam emails out from it. Fortunately I logged in one day out of chance an noticed before changing my password. I'm seriously careful online and I regularly scan for evils, but I still got my Hotmail phished because due to its popularity there are so many places it can be phished from.

So yeah, change your passwords guys.


8)

Wut? Phishing means typing your login into a page that purports to be your webmail account but isn't, yes? So how did you manage to do that? And why would you say "almost all" such accounts would have been successfully broken into in this way?


Well yeah either by manually typing a password in like a moron or some sort of spyware/keylogging software taking your password. If it happened to me, it could happen to anyone I reckon. I'm seriously careful with my passwords. My main point is, though, that I'd had my Hotmail account since 2002. That's a seriously long timeline for someone to grab your password and store it in a list without you noticing. Hell, I might've had my password stolen years before and they'd only just started using my account to spam. My Hotmail was a dead account anyway - only used for Xbox Live login purposes. Like an idiot I didn't realise how important that was and didn't change the password for a very long time.

Author:  TheVision [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:54 ]
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I too only use Hotmail to log into Xbox live.. I probably should get on and change my password.

Author:  WTB [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:56 ]
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What's this bullshit? It won't let me cancel auto-renewal. Getting an "error". Awfully fucking convenient that the whole Xbox site works just fine apart from when you want to remove your credit card details.

Author:  Bamba [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:57 ]
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WTB wrote:
Well yeah either by manually typing a password in like a moron or some sort of spyware/keylogging software taking your password.


No, phishing is specifically the former, not the latter; which is what kalmar is getting at as it makes your post a bit nonsensical. Although your general point stands of course.

Author:  Ramsea [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:59 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Stage 3, get your own domain and use a different email for everything...

Unfortunately, with xbox you're kind of limited to what kind of email you can use.

For everything else tho, using gmail+addressing is handy to avoid/pinpoint the source of spam

Author:  kalmar [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:59 ]
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Ah, yeah, general point understood and agreed with then, WTB.

The address I use is my Gmail one. I'd be proper fsked if anyone got into that.

Author:  WTB [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 15:59 ]
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Bamba wrote:
WTB wrote:
Well yeah either by manually typing a password in like a moron or some sort of spyware/keylogging software taking your password.


No, phishing is specifically the former, not the latter; which is what kalmar is getting at as it makes your post a bit nonsensical. Although your general point stands of course.


Well yeah I know that, it was just a convenient term.

Author:  Trooper [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:01 ]
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Ramsea wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Stage 3, get your own domain and use a different email for everything...

Unfortunately, with xbox you're kind of limited to what kind of email you can use.


My xbox account is using my domain. I have no idea how I managed that though :D

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:02 ]
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Trooper wrote:
My xbox account is using my domain. I have no idea how I managed that though :D
You signed up ages ago and never changed it, is how. Mine used to be like that.

Author:  Bamba [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:03 ]
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WTB wrote:
Well yeah I know that, it was just a convenient term.


This is the internet, using the wrong term is never convenient because you'll only end up having to fend off pedantic tits like me. :D

Author:  zaphod79 [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:04 ]
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I seem to remember that originally Microsoft forced you to use their 'passport' type account which limited you to a hotmail account , but they do seem to have relaxed that (put me in the list for another person who has a hotmail account which is used for Xbox but not actually used as an email address for anything else).

Author:  Mr Dave [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:08 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Ramsea wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Stage 3, get your own domain and use a different email for everything...

Unfortunately, with xbox you're kind of limited to what kind of email you can use.


My xbox account is using my domain. I have no idea how I managed that though :D
This.

I do have an idea how I did it though. Just sign up for an (as then) passport with your email address. Certainly things would be lacking, but it was perfectly doable.

Author:  Bamba [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:09 ]
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Trooper wrote:
My xbox account is using my domain. I have no idea how I managed that though :D


Mine uses my Gmail address to sign in because I somehow noticed before I signed up that you could use any email address to do it. This leads to the somewhat bizarre situation where I effectively have a Hotmail account under my Gmail account name which makes my brain hurt. I can send mail from it and it appears to others like it's been sent from my actual Gmail account but obviously it could never actually receive any email. It's a really fucking stupid idea all in.

Author:  Malabelm [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:11 ]
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Just went to change my password to find my account had been blocked due to sending out spam. Probably from years ago, as I haven't used the account in an awfully long time.

So to validate and recover my account, it sends a code to my phone. But there's no phone linked to my account, so I manually type a number in, receive the code and, using the password that was no doubt compromised, I'm in with absolutely no hassle.

Awesome.

Author:  BikNorton [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:14 ]
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ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:
BikNorton wrote:
Huh. After being panicked about Burny Pee (though I'm on PS3 for that) I remembered I'd already changed mine since then, for some reason. Excellent.
Now move onto stage 2 and cancel your bankcards.
Why would I do that? The only card on Live (and PSN, come to think of it) was expired, and I have a personal domain for most things anyway. Nothing went wrong with the PSN hack either.

Author:  WTB [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:15 ]
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Right, removed my card from my account and cancelled the Gold sub (yes, I was paying monthly with my card). Gonna head out later and buy a 12 month points card. Also gonna change my Live ID to a different email address and get shot of my old Hotmail for good.

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:21 ]
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I got my (now long deleted for lack of use) hotmail account in 1996. That's before hotmail was owned by Microsoft! So long ago that it was [myName]@hotmail.com with no numbers, dashes underscores or anything!

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:29 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Stage 3, get your own domain and use a different email for everything...

o/

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:30 ]
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Hang on - what's the point of Mr Nasty Hacker buying MS points? Can you transfer them?

Author:  myp [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:30 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
I do have an idea how I did it though. Just sign up for an (as then) passport with your email address. Certainly things would be lacking, but it was perfectly doable.

I did the very same.

Author:  myp [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:32 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Hang on - what's the point of Mr Nasty Hacker buying MS points? Can you transfer them?

I'm guessing:

Log into another Xbox as me
Buy points
???
Profit

Or download items on that console, which can continue to be used on that machine without me being logged in. The points were bought and spent.

Author:  Dimrill [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:32 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
[myName]@hotmail.com with no numbers, dashes underscores or anything!


[email protected]?

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:38 ]
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Dimrill wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
[myName]@hotmail.com with no numbers, dashes underscores or anything!


[email protected]?

No, it was my full name.

Author:  myp [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:39 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Dimrill wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
[myName]@hotmail.com with no numbers, dashes underscores or anything!


[email protected]?

No, it was my full name.

[email protected]?

Author:  zaphod79 [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:40 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Hang on - what's the point of Mr Nasty Hacker buying MS points? Can you transfer them?


They use the XBL points to either :

1) Login to a machine as 'you' and buy Games for Windows Live (so even when you get your account back they are authorised for that console)
2) Buy 'junk' which they then sell on (when this kicked off last month they were all being used to buy Fifa special points and those were then being sold on Ebay).

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:41 ]
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myp it wrote:

Only my mum calls me that, though.

Author:  WTB [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:42 ]
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Woop! I've changed both my password and my Live ID email address. If any bastard has either of my old details they're useless now. Buying all XBLA points and subscriptions via cards now.

Author:  TheVision [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:43 ]
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I've just seen on Twitter that @Xboxsupport have just given Myp the instructions that Davpaz posted on sucking eggs.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:45 ]
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A few posts about the 'non' hack

http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/22/x ... ing_scams/

Quote:
Microsoft sources have denied a claim that Xbox Live has been hacked, stating instead that gamers said to have had up to £100 lifted from their accounts were victims of phishing scams.

Allegations that cyber criminals have "hacked into thousands of Xbox Live accounts to steal millions of pounds" in the UK were made by The Sun newspaper this morning.

However, sources close to Microsoft insisted there is no evidence that any account has been hacked.

But the source admitted there has been an increase in attempts to gain punters' login credentials through deception - phishing.

Other attacks involve criminals attempting to befriend gamers through social networks in the hope of gathering information to reveal login details.

Microsoft has previously warned Xbox users to be on the look out for such cons.

However, Microsoft must do more to improve security, Jason Hart, MD of security firm Cryptocard, told Reg Hardware.

"Clearly too many weak links remain," he said. "At the moment gamers aren't being properly authenticated when they log on as gaming companies continue to use static passwords.

"You can't stop thieves sneaking up to the back door, but you can put in place measures to stop them breaking in."

Last month, a number of Xbox 360 owners revealed that their accounts and credit cards had been compromised, with stolen MS Points spent on Fifa 12 content packs. ®


http://spong.com/article/25797/Murdoch- ... ia-Follows

Quote:
When is a "Hack" not a "Hack"? Well, people disagree. It could be said that if someone looks over your shoulder when your enter a PIN, and they walk off with that number, that's a 'Social Hack'. However, The Sun, The Daily Telegraph and The Daily Mail (both re-reporting The Sun) seem to think that a 'Hack' is when someone responds to a Phishing Email.

Starting with The Sun, with its headline and strap:
"Gamers caught in Xbox cyber fraud - Web crooks raid accounts"

It then goes crazy:

"ONLINE crooks have hacked into thousands of Xbox Live accounts to steal millions of pounds.

"The average loss to gamers in the UK is around £100 — but many have had more than £200 stolen."

Not okay. Wrong. In fact, the paper even contradicts itself:

"In one 'phishing' con, crooks sent emails to players directing them to bogus websites offering free Microsoft points that can be used to buy games."

"Bogus websites" not Xbox Live at all.

This hasn't stopped The Mail, which starts with, "Thousands of players are believed to have been hit by the scam which gets con artists into Xbox Live accounts which contains details such as credit card numbers."

However, again in contradictory mode, "The scam works by sending players emails that direct them to bogus websites offering free Microsoft points that can be used to buy games.

Gamers were fooled into visiting pages that stole account details and then gradually 'leeched' money from their accounts. Online play on Xbox 360 requires an account with credit card details attached
Victims are then asked to enter personal details which let criminals access accounts and get hold of their credit card information.

"Crooks then take small amounts from credit cards over several weeks so it is hard to detect them."

So, that's bank accounts then?

The Mail does attempt a justification with, "Other victims have apparently lost money when their passwords were guessed by criminals who befriended them before coaxing personal information out of them." Yup, "guessing".

Never fear though, as respected broadsheet, The Daily Telegraph clears things up in its headline: "Xbox Live customers 'hacked' in fresh cyber fraud case". Oh, no it doesn't. Let's see about the detail:

"As part of their scam, the gangs sent emails to players directing them to fake websites offering free Microsoft points that can be used to buy games.

"Duped victims then entered their personal details, which allowed criminals access to their accounts and valuable credit card information.

"They also reportedly befriend players online and convince them into volunteering personal details."

Yup, not a hack of Xbox Live.

But remember, fear sells newspapers, especially around Xmas. And more especially if the newspaper's owner has committed large sums of money to a digital-only newspaper running on another platform.

We are of course requesting comment from Microsoft on the matter. It has yet to provide comment to any of the 'sources'.

Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:46 ]
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TheVision wrote:
I've just seen on Twitter that @Xboxsupport have just given Myp the instructions that Davpaz posted on sucking eggs.

I watched that twitter stream for about half a minute. What a fucking awful job :)

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:54 ]
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WTB wrote:
Also gonna change my Live ID to a different email address and get shot of my old Hotmail for good.
Is that possible now? It used to be, then it stopped being possible last time I tried it (a couple of years ago).

Author:  Cras [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:57 ]
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Yeah, it is. It's non-simple though.

Author:  Trooper [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 16:58 ]
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I really need to get on with changing all my passwords to pass-sentences at some point.
Too much hassle though.

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