Tragic and comical

Amy Winehouse had easy access to both the best care/support network to help get her off the drugs AND the drugs/suppliers networks to allow her to feed the addiction.

She could have support or drugs in abundance, because wealth will buy both. Her fame, money and connections were her kill or cure.

As ever, Mimi sums it up better than anyone else could. There is nothing else to say.

And nobody should be ashamed of ripping apart some little rich girl who has every opportunity to kick the habit.

Winehouse? No sympathy at all.

Just want to add that if she had made it for another couple of months this may have been very different. Amy Winehouse was obsessed and convinced (she spoke about it often) that she was going to join the "27 club" For those that don't know Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison and Kurt Cobain all died at 27. The impact this must have had on her already fucked up psychology must have been huge.

Whenever we have a discussion on this subject, government yard's posts have always been eminently moving and humbling, and have had a lasting and profound effect on my understanding of this subject. Genuinely, thank you man.

Whenever we have a discussion on this subject, government yard's posts have always been eminently moving and humbling, and have had a lasting and profound effect on my understanding of this subject. Genuinely, thank you man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yioQED8DmEE&feature=related Back to black same session.

Watch those and then tell me we haven't lost something special, at what point she was lost is up to debate but I for one am going to mourn her, flaws and all.

I've got a 40 year old downstairs looks plenty younger than Winehouse.

Her mother Janis said in 2008: "I have known for a long time that my daughter has problems. We're watching her kill herself slowly. It's like watching a car crash – this person throwing these gifts away. I've already come to terms with her dead. I've steeled myself to ask her on what ground she wants to be buried, in which cemetery."

I'm with chinnyhill on this. Given the vast volume of people in the world who suffer terrible fates through no fault of their own, I have zero sympathy for someone who has the finanicial resources to have a decent chance of sorting their shit out while not having to worry about, say, the standard 9-5 that most of us deal with.

I never liked her music. To say she was 'talented' is a subjective statement that I disagree with.

I have much, much more sympathy for Norway and those who weren't given a choice or a chance about their deaths. Hers is a minor story of a washed up tragic addict who should have known better, and had every opportunity for an epiphany about the stupidity of her lifestyle. I hope the story gets buried quickly. And better still, I'll refuse to argue with anyone who disagrees with me about it. I tweeted this earlier:

'Not a waste of talent, but certainly a waste of bandwidth'.

Fin.

While I do not entirely agree with everthing Chinny said, I certainly agree that he has the right not to give a shit that she's carked it.

Yeah of course he is and by the same token I am entitled to point out his lack of humanity when he decides to share his opinions with the world.

People who were touched by her voice give a shit, personally if every american rapper bought it I wouldn't give a fuck. not really, I would at least show empathy

I feel sad that for the peole that have lost a daughter and a sister, but I can't say I care for manufactured singing.

Yeah but you are a renowned troll so I wouldn't expect any better. Your thread title already made your opinions clear and to be frank I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think.

I wasn't touched by her voice, though. And I can't empathise with something so self-destructive.

So why the hell did her parents, who are quoted above as saying essentially, "Yeah, we know she's on the way to her grave, but we're gonna do jack shit about it" not do more? If she didn't want to be treated, why didn't they force her? OK, she's an adult, but clearly not compos mentis enough to make decisions about her life.

I'm with chinnyhill on this. Given the vast volume of people in the world who suffer terrible fates through no fault of their own, I have zero sympathy for someone who has the finanicial resources to have a decent chance of sorting their shit out while not having to worry about, say, the standard 9-5 that most of us deal with.

I never liked her music. To say she was 'talented' is a subjective statement that I disagree with.

I have much, much more sympathy for Norway and those who weren't given a choice or a chance about their deaths. Hers is a minor story of a washed up tragic addict who should have known better, and had every opportunity for an epiphany about the stupidity of her lifestyle. I hope the story gets buried quickly. And better still, I'll refuse to argue with anyone who disagrees with me about it. I tweeted this earlier:

'Not a waste of talent, but certainly a waste of bandwidth'.

Fin.

She could have spent her money on drugs or 24 hour care to beat the addiction. The thing is, she never showed an interest in giving up the lifestyle… when a media figure in the spotlight swings between trying to clean themselves up and slipping back into an addiction and the media circus watches it like the horses on a carousel *then* it can seem sad and pathetic, but she never really seemed interested in cleaning herself up. I think (though am unsure) she may have been sectioned a few times, or threatened by the people who controlled her career to get help or lose her deal, but she never appeared to be fighting to clean up. So maybe she didn't make enough of an effort to fight that addiction, especially considering the wealth of help available to her which isn't available to the other druggie deaths which nobody bothers posting about.

I didn't give a fuck about her when she was alive, and I certainly don't give a fuck about her now she's dead. She was a massive waste of space, regardless of whether she was suffering or not, and I have absolutely no sympathy for her whatsoever.

Call me a troll, or inhuman, whatever — I can't believe people are honestly getting slated here for not caring about Amy fucking Winehouse.

Legally, she was perfectly compos mentis. Mental Health service don't, on a functional level, give two shits about problem drug use, despite the clear and inescapable fact that problem drug use is often as not a result of people self-medicating to control mental health issues.

Where do people get this idea about forcing others to quit this or that which is bad for them? Are you going to berate my mother for not forcing me to stop smoking?

TBH I don't think this is half the news story it's being made out to be, it's sensationalist rubbernecking as a fucking nut does what fucking nuts do best.

Report the facts and then move on, don't make the guy top news story for days on end.

Where'd you get this idea that the fight was potentially winnable?

However, at the same time, I will quote cross-thread in the interest of balance.

It's not quite the same thing, is it?

If you were indulging in a cocktail of drugs, alcohol and God knows what else on a daily basis, so much so that you couldn't form a coherent sentence half the time, you clearly can't be trusted to look after yourself so somebody should step in. Smoking, while clearly destructive, isn't on the same level.

And if you're in that much of a mess, I don't think you're in any way capable of making important decisions like "Should I get therapy or not?" so someone should make those decisions for you.

I could quite possibly be thinking of somewhere else and not the UK, but I'm sure there's a precedent of people getting so messed up that decision-making is taken away from them because they're not of sound mind.

Death, and peoples reactions to it, is a subjective thing. We've seen this over two threads this weekend, and there is no right or wrong answer as to how people should feel about it.

I didn't ever say it was, but she'd not even tried.

Nah too late to jump on the bandwagon. It's not shocking any more and it was never clever.

I hope if you ever need it somebody shows you an ounce of compassion.

Well, since it seems 'I'm still here' as it were, I'll throw my hat into the ring on this one, as it has moved me a fair bit.

In a word, I'm totally with AE and Nemmie on this one. Amy Winehouse' no doubt lonely, sad death is clearly tragic on any human, empathetic level, a tragic waste of a young life - whatever anyone might think of her, or her music. (Personally I *love* her soulful, dark, deeply personal music; it speaks volumes to me at least - reduced me to tears last night, knowing she was dead).

I feel it is utterly stupid to say 'well, she had money, she could've sorted herself out'. Even if that were true - which it surely isn't - it's hardly the point, is it? Clearly her drug abuse/addictions were manifesting a deep form of self-loathing, self harm and escapism, for whatever reason? As someone who knows a thing or two about destructive, perverse, counter common sense addictions, not to mention a dash of self-loathing and irrational shame of my own, for that matter, I think I can empathise, even just a tiny bit. I suppose it's no surprise really that AE and Nemmie also think this way; we have common ground between us on this, I daresay.

Similarly, it's ludicrous to say 'we can't feel sorry for her 'cause of the people who got blown up in Norway'....? FFS! No-one would ever feel sorry for anyone, on those lines, except for that one person who got hacked to death, alive, in Rwanda - the most ghastly death imaginable. Shit, I feel sorry for someone who trips up in the street and grazes their knee - let alone a young woman genius with quite literally everything to live for and her entire life in front of her, who thinks death is the only answer.

As for the likes of the entire UK press who are only now proclaiming her as a 'prodigy' and a 'genius', before her body has even gone cold, and who - without doubt - made her life that much more unbearable and intolerable, with their unending, intrusive spite/hate - it just goes to prove everything that I said in the other thread: JOURNALISTS ARE CUNTS, THE END.

All Amy Winehouse needed was someone to show her genuine, absolute, unconditional love and empathy - a non-cunt husband, if you will. Yes, it's terribly old-fashioned to say 'she just needed a good man', I'm sure, and will no doubt illicit the usual response from the 'forum cunts crew'. But it's true, as far as I'm concerned.

I can't improve on that and refer anyone still debating with me back to this post.

Malabelm is entitled to his opinion. It was obvious to pretty much everyone that this is going to happen to her. If you drive a car around at 100mph eventually you are probably going to crash. Therefore excuse people if they don't have much sympathy.

They're two different debates dealing with two different aspects of two very different events.