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Author:  Cras [ Sun Dec 27, 2015 21:36 ]
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The common consensus is that she probably is, but I'd love it if they gave us a twist there and made her someone else's kid
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Sun Dec 27, 2015 21:41 ]
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There's a trailer for Disney Infinity that gives the game away on that point apparently.
Author:  Trooper [ Sun Dec 27, 2015 22:03 ]
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There is a theory that she could be Obi-wan's granddaughter.
Author:  Cras [ Sun Dec 27, 2015 22:07 ]
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Dr Zoidbeard wrote:
There's a trailer for Disney Infinity that gives the game away on that point apparently.


Apparently not. He says 'curses' and people thought he was saying 'cousin'
Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Dec 28, 2015 17:37 ]
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Swashbuckling Redshirt wrote:
Loved it. Tripped over it's feet slightly towards the end but caught up well. Almost cried with happiness during the dogfights.

MrsA thinks Rei is Luke's daughter due to lightsaber calling her and R2D2 woke up after detecting her on the planet.



Could be Leia's who knows. It was Anakin's lightsaber, Luke made the green one
Author:  RuySan [ Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:47 ]
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Saw it only yesterday, and here's my opinion.

-Lack of any new ideas. It has basically "A New Hope" structure, and the script feels like fan-fiction.
-Speaking of fan-faction, it has too much fan pandering, considering the references to the Kessler run, the holographic chess and so on....
-While it's very similar to "A New Hope", like most modern blockbusters, it has too many action scenes. "When everything is loud, nothing is", is what modern directors and producers should now.

-New characters are good and charismatic. But Adam from Girls had a silly haircut.
-It looks amazing. The crashed star cruisers are a sight to behold.
-I liked that the bad guy from Ex Machina is now good and the ginger is now evil.
-It was fun, and given the circumstances could be much worse, but it lacks new ideas and it won't certainly be a classic.
Author:  Cras [ Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:50 ]
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You're not a classic
Author:  Grim... [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:34 ]
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I have seen all the Star Wars films! I am just like most other people now.

New film (which I saw yesterday) was all right, but, as others have said, was basically a copy of IV (which I saw the day before yesterday). 3PO is still an annoying turd, but isn't in it much, so hurrah!

Although Kylo Ren seems to be an inexplicable cretin with a light sabre.

Re: Who is Rei - it seemed as if Leia knew her at the end - I mean, Leia blanked Chewie to hug Rei, even though Han had just died.

Also, R2D2 and C3P0 must be fucking old now, right? You'd think they'd be seriously obsolete.
Author:  Bamba [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:49 ]
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Grim... wrote:
3PO is still an annoying turd


God yes, the character's voice and mannerisms absolutely set my teeth on edge.

Grim... wrote:
Re: Who is Rei


Rey.
Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:55 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Also, R2D2 and C3P0 must be fucking old now, right? You'd think they'd be seriously obsolete.

That's Star Wars though, innit? The KOTR games are set 1000s of years in the past relative to the movies, but the tech is basically the same. It's like they've topped out.
Author:  Curiosity [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:56 ]
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I'm think you mean copy of IV.

Anyway, I also watched IV, V, VI in the last couple of days, and whilst Force Awakens is clearly cloned on A New Hope in some ways, it also lifts scenes from the others.

The part in RotJ where Luke tells Leia about how they are related, as a way to explain that he has to go and face Vader because he knows there is good in him... it's mirrored very closely by the conversation between Leia and Han in TFA, with her this time asserting that there is good left in Kylo Ren.

It doesn't go as well for the good guys second time around though!

Speaking of RotJ, huge swathes of it are rubbish. The Jabba stuff at the start is decent, and the final scenes with Luke/Vader/Palpatine are good, but there's a lot of crap there.

I still think Kylo Ren is a quality bad guy though, and his approach being the opposite of all the others (a Sith trying to avoid being tempted to the Light Side) is fun. The wife thinks he's the best bad guy in it full stop, but I think she just fancies Adam Driver :D

As for the above questions re: Rey, nobody knows for sure. Lots of theories though, the most obvious/compelling being that she was a survivor of the Jedi Academy massacre hidden away from Ren by persons unknown (but likely Leia/Luke/Lor San Tekka).

Alternatively (or in addition), she might be Luke's daughter. Or not. Who can tell?
Author:  myp [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:06 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Also, R2D2 and C3P0 must be fucking old now, right? You'd think they'd be seriously obsolete.

That's Star Wars though, innit? The KOTR games are set 1000s of years in the past relative to the movies, but the tech is basically the same. It's like they've topped out.

In fact the tech in the prequel trilogy is better than the original trilogy. This is explained by some kind of Clone Wars handwaving.
Author:  myp [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:08 ]
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I also like Kylo Ren. He's a three-dimensional character wracked with self-doubt and worry he's not as hardcore as total badass Vader (and with good reason, he ain't).
Author:  Grim... [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:52 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Re: Who is Rei

Rey.

That's what I get for copying from Pete.

Curiosity wrote:
I'm think you mean copy of IV.

Indeed I do.
Author:  myp [ Mon Jan 18, 2016 17:11 ]
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Kylo Ren in Undercover Bosses: http://nerdist.com/kylo-ren-did-underco ... se-on-snl/
Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Jan 19, 2016 13:45 ]
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Sweet.
http://imgur.com/gallery/q1Vhz
Author:  Zardoz [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 0:14 ]
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Yeah!
Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 15:53 ]
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I've watched this now and can finally colour this topic from red to blue thus quenching my OCD for over a month.

I really enjoyed it.

So there you go, insightful commentary from me.

Oh, I'll tell you what I didn't like, bloody 100 ft gollum as the big bad. Urgh, it just looked awful and tacky. Too much fannying CGI for the sake of it. I was really enjoying the lack of the Muppet Show for the most part too and I'm glad that Kermit and friends just tended to be background noise. I'm glad because when you go full-Boyle with the CGI you create a character with big glasses and small eyes which was a bit shit and unnecessary. Anyway, Gollum was ridiculous and really spoiled the bits it was in.

And the ending was meh, with Rei holding out the light sabre as the camera spun around like it was on a merry go round. And the solitary island was, for some reason, infinitely worse than crappy swamp where Yoda lived. I was half-happy that the sequence didn't last long because we all knew what was coming and half-unhappy that there wasn't more of a trial to get there. It was just typical TV drama bullshit that is ruining films these days to end on a cliff(literally, aye! AHAHAHA)hanger(ahhhhh. Ruined it).

And Leia was a bit rubbish with her thin lips. And the story to find Luke? Weak as fuck.

Boyega was fab though. Really loved him. And Rei. Although she ain't no Andrea Riseborough. Oh and I saw an advert for the new X-Men before it with sodding Jennifer Lawrence in! Whoop. Watching. That. I think I've forgot what I was writing about so to conclude...

So Star Wars: good. Reet good.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:00 ]
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I liked 100ft Gollum.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:38 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
Oh and I saw an advert for the new X-Men before it with sodding Jennifer Lawrence in!


Not all that surprising surely given that she was also in the last two?
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:39 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
can finally colour this topic from red to blue


The who with the what now?
Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:40 ]
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Grim... wrote:
I liked 100ft Gollum.

:wrong:

One of the poorest elements of the film imo.
Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:41 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Saturnalian wrote:
Oh and I saw an advert for the new X-Men before it with sodding Jennifer Lawrence in!


Not all that surprising surely given that she was also in the last two?


Really? Even the time traveling one? Damn, I must have missed that somehow.

Bamba wrote:
Saturnalian wrote:
can finally colour this topic from red to blue


The who with the what now?


On the mobile site unread topics are red and read topics are blue.
Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:42 ]
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Nothing to see here. And since Bamba has now posted I can't delete it. Tch, aye.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:43 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Grim... wrote:
I liked 100ft Gollum.

:wrong:

One of the poorest elements of the film imo.


Yeah, it was pretty fucking stupid. Weirdly though, although I was constantly thinking how stupid it was while it was on screen in front of me, it's never occurred to me as a criticism when talking about the film afterwards until Sat mentioned it there. I just kept thinking that he must be really insecure to need a hilariously massive projection of himself created every time he wants a meeting with this minions; total over-compensation and hardly suggestive of a confident and capable bad guy.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:43 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Saturnalian wrote:
can finally colour this topic from red to blue


The who with the what now?


On the mobile site unread topics are red and read topics are blue.


Oh, yeah. I was being an idiot and thinking about the topic icons on the full site.
Author:  MaliA [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:46 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Yeah, it was pretty fucking stupid. Weirdly though, although I was constantly thinking how stupid it was while it was on screen in front of me, it's never occurred to me as a criticism when talking about the film afterwards until Sat mentioned it there. I just kept thinking that he must be really insecure to need a hilariously massive projection of himself created every time he wants a meeting with this minions; total over-compensation and hardly suggestive of a confident and capable bad guy.


I would totally do that
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:48 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Saturnalian wrote:
Oh and I saw an advert for the new X-Men before it with sodding Jennifer Lawrence in!


Not all that surprising surely given that she was also in the last two?


Really? Even the time traveling one? Damn, I must have missed that somehow.


Yeah, she gets shedloads of screen time in both the newer ones.
Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 16:56 ]
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I reckon, since giant Gollum is a hologram, he's actually tiny.

Also, people have speculated that his scars match up with Darth Vader's :roll:
Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 17:01 ]
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How'd they get Vader's mangled head piece an' all? Didn't Vader, like, fucking explode or did Luke think "You know what I'd like as a momento, your creepy mask to toss my salad off. I mean, in."
Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 17:15 ]
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Theories are fun!
Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 17:17 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
How'd they get Vader's mangled head piece an' all? Didn't Vader, like, fucking explode or did Luke think "You know what I'd like as a momento, your creepy mask to toss my salad off. I mean, in."


Vader was cremated at the end of RotJ, in full armour.

The scars don't match up that well. Snoke won't be Vader, unless he's in a non-corporeal form. Which would be stupid.
Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 17:25 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Theories are fun!

maek u think
Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 17:33 ]
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Snoke is a fucking stupid name too.
Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 17:35 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
Snoke is a fucking stupid name too.

Better than General Grievous.
Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 17:38 ]
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Or Padme Amigagagagagagagagagaah *deep throat noise*
Author:  Sir Taxalot [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 22:48 ]
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I wondered if Snoke is actually an evil version of whatever race Yoda was.

I too thought the giant Snoke hologram was a bit silly but it's not the first time for a big hologram is it? wasn't there a scene in one of the original trilogy where Vader was talking to a mahoosive hologram of the Emperor's head?
Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 23:02 ]
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I like the giant hologram.

I like most things though.

Other than Jar Jar Binks. He is literally ruining every single scene he is in (I'm watching ep1)
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Jan 20, 2016 23:21 ]
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Sir Taxalot wrote:
I wondered if Snoke is actually an evil version of whatever race Yoda was.

I too thought the giant Snoke hologram was a bit silly but it's not the first time for a big hologram is it? wasn't there a scene in one of the original trilogy where Vader was talking to a mahoosive hologram of the Emperor's head?


Because if something happened in the original trilogy it couldn't be a shite idea? Fuck that apapologist nonsense, Snoke sucked.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:45 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Other than Jar Jar Binks. He is literally ruining every single scene he is in (I'm watching ep1)

Binks > C3PO
Author:  markg [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:37 ]
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I get the hate for C3PO but he's really not on the same level as Binks.
Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:59 ]
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Binks is an abomination. Before watching it again yesterday I thought the hate for him was unjustified. I was wrong. He's terrible. They insert scenes that have no reason for existing other than Jar Jar falls over, Jar Jar says a stupid thing, even Jar Jar smells an animal fart. It's terrible. Even when there are serious scenes, they tend to end with Jar Jar wandering past with his shit CGI and falling over.
Author:  Mimi [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:38 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Other than Jar Jar Binks. He is literally ruining every single scene he is in (I'm watching ep1)

Binks > C3PO

Is C3PO the gold man or the dustbin guy? Because the dustbin is cute!
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:40 ]
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Mimi wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Other than Jar Jar Binks. He is literally ruining every single scene he is in (I'm watching ep1)

Binks > C3PO

Is C3PO the gold man or the dustbin guy? Because the dustbin is cute!


Gold, now with a red arm.
Author:  Mimi [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:42 ]
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He's annoying, and rude towards the dustbin. I think he's quite condescending towards his little robotty chum :(
Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:57 ]
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Malcolm Tucker wrote:
The one about the fucking space hairdresser and the cowboy. He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin. His father's a robot and he's fucking fucked his sister. Lego. They're all made of fucking lego."
Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:28 ]
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I couldn't understand why the red arm was in there. Presumably it was for comic relief but it fell very flat with me.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:31 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
I couldn't understand why the red arm was in there. Presumably it was for comic relief but it fell very flat with me.


It's going to be explained in a Marvel comic in February.
http://movieweb.com/star-wars-force-awa ... backstory/
Author:  Bamba [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:38 ]
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Saturnalian wrote:
I couldn't understand why the red arm was in there. Presumably it was for comic relief but it fell very flat with me.


They also made an oddly big deal about it. He was all, "Look at my arm! It's red! I have a red arm! Do you see my red arm!". Then he bumbled off and it's never referenced again.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 14:14 ]
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Curiosity wrote:

Alternatively (or in addition), [Rey] might be Luke's daughter. Or not. Who can tell?

This is an annoyingly lazy explanation, but I suspect it'll be the right one.

A fan theory that I like is that she is Obi-Wan's granddaughter. He had plenty of time in exile between RotS and ANH to father a kid.
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