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Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 16:33 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bits and Bobs 17: The DavSpazening

Zardoz wrote:
Does it look 'dirtier' on the 'Graphics' PC by any chance?

Wow, wait til Zardoz sees that post!

Oh. Wait.

:(

Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 16:33 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bits and Bobs 17: The DavSpazening

Certain graphics file types can store colour profile information you see, some programs ignore it and others will try to utilise it. It's a fucking minefield.

Author:  devilman [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 16:39 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Does it look 'dirtier' on the 'Graphics' PC by any chance?


Certainly darker. She's got a colour profile set where they've both run the monitor configuration software. At least it's just her machine though so I'm just going to ignore it - it looks fine for everyone else so I'm not going to worry about it.

Cheers folks!

Author:  Dimrill [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 16:41 ]
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Hmm.

Image

Author:  Malabelm [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 16:42 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Certain graphics file types can store colour profile information you see, some programs ignore it and others will try to utilise it. It's a fucking minefield.


:this: It's an absolute nightmare isn't it, Z? And it doesn't help that my knowledge of colour spaces is incredibly lacking.

Author:  KovacsC [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 16:42 ]
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Dimrill wrote:
Hmm.

Image


awesome!!

Author:  kalmar [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 16:45 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Does it look 'dirtier' on the 'Graphics' PC by any chance?

Wow, wait til Zardoz sees that post!

Oh. Wait.

:(


Don't you see how far we've come? I'm so proud of Zardoz, I'm going to buy him a drink of his choice. The day after tomorrow!

Author:  KovacsC [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 16:50 ]
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I think I owe Myp a drink or a hug...

If he is awake when I get there!!

Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 16:52 ]
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kalmar wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Does it look 'dirtier' on the 'Graphics' PC by any chance?

Wow, wait til Zardoz sees that post!

Oh. Wait.

:(


Don't you see how far we've come? I'm so proud of Zardoz, I'm going to buy him a drink of his choice. The day after tomorrow!

1 pint of Willoughby Gold Top please. On draught :hat:

Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 17:28 ]
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so much for me posting less, eh?

Author:  chinnyhill10 [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 17:33 ]
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Craster wrote:
Isn't is just one using RGB and the other using CMYK? I'm pretty sure PS uses CMYK.


FUCKING CMYK. FUCK IT!

Bloody designers sending me CMYK files which don't play nicely here in video land. Send RGB or GTFF!

Author:  Dimrill [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 17:34 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
so much for me posting less, eh?


Atrocity Exhibition will be livid when he has to read all this noise.

Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 17:43 ]
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chinnyhill10 wrote:
Bloody designers sending me CMYK files which don't play nicely here in video land. Send RGB or GTFF!

I'll convert them for you.

Shall we say...
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
£2 BANNED

Author:  kalmar [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 17:44 ]
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Shush.

Author:  Mimi [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 21:33 ]
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Today, whilst buying parts for my gran's shower which I fixed all by myself I popped into Staples and bought some pick n' mix.

But, not just any pick and mix...


PAPERCLIP Pick n' Mix.

See how full this glass is?
Attachment:
tumb.jpg


Imagine that water is in fact win.



It is not as full of win as Paperclip Pick n' Mix.

Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 21:36 ]
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Post more Mimi x

Author:  chinnyhill10 [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 22:34 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
chinnyhill10 wrote:
Bloody designers sending me CMYK files which don't play nicely here in video land. Send RGB or GTFF!

I'll convert them for you.

Shall we say...
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
£2 BANNED


The problem is the colours still don't quite translate properly. Designers don't understand this.

They also don't understand what works well in print doesn't work well in video. Red isn't ideal in video land as any compression system that uses 4:2:0 colour compression tends to pixilate reds for example. 4:2:0 is used everywhere from the MPEG on DVD's through to Windows Media and Flash. Red text on white always looks grim for example.

Author:  Nik [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:02 ]
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Malabar Front wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Certain graphics file types can store colour profile information you see, some programs ignore it and others will try to utilise it. It's a fucking minefield.


:this: It's an absolute nightmare isn't it, Z? And it doesn't help that my knowledge of colour spaces is incredibly lacking.

Very much :this:

It's a source of some embarrassment to me that, despite eight years in the IT department of an art college (including supporting stuff like Photoshop, scanners, cameras, printers etc.), colour profiles still confuse me.

Author:  Nik [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:03 ]
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chinnyhill10 wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
chinnyhill10 wrote:
Bloody designers sending me CMYK files which don't play nicely here in video land. Send RGB or GTFF!

I'll convert them for you.

Shall we say...
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
£2 BANNED


The problem is the colours still don't quite translate properly. Designers don't understand this.

They also don't understand what works well in print doesn't work well in video. Red isn't ideal in video land as any compression system that uses 4:2:0 colour compression tends to pixilate reds for example. 4:2:0 is used everywhere from the MPEG on DVD's through to Windows Media and Flash. Red text on white always looks grim for example.


Hmm, that might explain why red always appears pixellated on my (obviously ageing now, but quite pricey at the time) CRT tv.

Author:  Nemmie [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:01 ]
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<turns squelch up>

Author:  Nemmie [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:02 ]
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Mimi wrote:
Today, whilst buying parts for my gran's shower which I fixed all by myself I popped into Staples and bought some pick n' mix.

But, not just any pick and mix...


PAPERCLIP Pick n' Mix.

See how full this glass is?
Attachment:
tumb.jpg


Imagine that water is in fact win.



It is not as full of win as Paperclip Pick n' Mix.



That is a lovely glass. I wonder who made it.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:19 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
I always thought that the roads around the perimeter of Hemlington in Middlesbrough would make for a fine F1 track, nice long straights with some tricky downhill turns. I'll trace a route in a bit.


Here you go.

Potential F1 track in NE England

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:53 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
I always thought that the roads around the perimeter of Hemlington in Middlesbrough would make for a fine F1 track, nice long straights with some tricky downhill turns. I'll trace a route in a bit.


Here you go.

Potential F1 track in NE England



Looks fun.

Mr Everiss digs deeper in his new blog.

Author:  Kern [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:54 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Mr Everiss digs deeper in his new blog.


Link?

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:01 ]
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Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Mr Everiss digs deeper in his new blog.


Link?


Cached seems to have disappeared on his main site.

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bits and Bobs 17: The DavSpazening

chinnyhill10 wrote:
The problem is the colours still don't quite translate properly. Designers don't understand this.

Well, some colours cross over perfectly, the problems occur when one is outside of the others gamut. As someone who produces graphics for print and web I always say, 'fuck it, it's close enough'.

Everyones monitor is calibrated differently.

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:05 ]
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Do you have a 'reference level' monitor for your vid work Chinny? Like Musos have studio monitors for sound?

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:42 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Mr Everiss digs deeper in his new blog.

Link?

Cached seems to have disappeared on his main site.

I quite like that. He makes some good points.

Author:  TheVision [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:47 ]
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So... the college course I've been attending since November haven't actually got me registered for any of the exams! Great... this could have been a colossal waste of my time and effort.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:49 ]
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Image

Mental
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/solidalliances-crazy-earphones-v2-because-ear-fungus-sells/

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:51 ]
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Grim... wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Mr Everiss digs deeper in his new blog.

Link?

Cached seems to have disappeared on his main site.

I quite like that. He makes some good points.


Was that about the AAA games?

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:52 ]
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The Katana earphones are the bestest.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:05 ]
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Morning all !

Author:  Malabelm [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:07 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Well, some colours cross over perfectly, the problems occur when one is outside of the others gamut. As someone who produces graphics for print and web I always say, 'fuck it, it's close enough'.

Everyones monitor is calibrated differently.


And if they really, really want a colour to be accurate, they can use a Pantone.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:08 ]
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Are those Pantone 'books' still ridiculously expensive? I worked in a printshop for my Work Experience and when I touched their Pantone thingy, they all freaked out!

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:10 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Are those Pantone 'books' still ridiculously expensive? I worked in a printshop for my Work Experience and when I touched their Pantone thingy, they all freaked out!

Yeah, and they need replacing every 12 months due to sunlight to be perfectly accurate.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:12 ]
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http://www.bodoni.co.uk/product_info.ph ... cts_id=161

£90+ for a colour swatch. Crazy!

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:14 ]
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Compare that to the cost of getting your clients corporate colours printed wrong though.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:17 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Grim... wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Mr Everiss digs deeper in his new blog.

Link?

Cached seems to have disappeared on his main site.

I quite like that. He makes some good points.

Was that about the AAA games?

Yup.

Author:  Malabelm [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:23 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Compare that to the cost of getting your clients corporate colours printed wrong though.


Indeed. We once forgot to set a small layer on a map to Overprint Black, and the whole thing had to be re-printed at a cost of >£3k. That isn't the same as the colours being wrong, but any mistake in large print jobs is incredibly expensive.

Author:  BikNorton [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:36 ]
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TheVision wrote:
So... the college course I've been attending since November haven't actually got me registered for any of the exams! Great... this could have been a colossal waste of my time and effort.
What a bunch of dozy cunts.

Author:  TheVision [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:39 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
TheVision wrote:
So... the college course I've been attending since November haven't actually got me registered for any of the exams! Great... this could have been a colossal waste of my time and effort.
What a bunch of dozy cunts.


I should have realised something like this would happen to be honest. The lecturer is one of the biggest moron's I have ever met! She's nice enough and everything, but she hasn't got a clue when it comes to teaching us.

Every week it's like she's making it up as she goes along.

One of her snippets of teaching wisom went like this

"If you don't know what that theory is, google it. It's all over the internet"

Fantastic!

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:47 ]
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Grim... wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Was that about the AAA games?

Yup.


Oh, it was about something else when I read it earlier.

Never mind.

EDIT: It seems he's received a letter asking him to remove all references to someone or other about his Evony thingy from a London firm.

Author:  chinnyhill10 [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:54 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Do you have a 'reference level' monitor for your vid work Chinny? Like Musos have studio monitors for sound?


No, because they are fuck off expensive and it makes sod all difference anyway when everyone has their TV brightness set so high it'll fucking x-ray you if you walk past. Files for computer playback are different anyway as you can get away with higher video levels. If I was doing TV stuff perhaps I'd need one.

I have a cheap portable 14" CRT which I have calibrated via the service menus that provides me with a visual check. I'll also check DVD's on a large screen TV and tweak accordingly.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 13:12 ]
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After Lave's avatar sells for 1 million dollars the first apperance of Batman tops it

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8538223.stm

Author:  Curiosity [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 13:21 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Grim... wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Was that about the AAA games?

Yup.


Oh, it was about something else when I read it earlier.

Never mind.

EDIT: It seems he's received a letter asking him to remove all references to someone or other about his Evony thingy from a London firm.


I have to say that I doubt his assertion that more iPhone games are pirated than bought. In fact, I'd be absolutely staggered if that was the case.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 13:21 ]
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Game is shutting 43 stores (although possibly the ones where they have 2 stores within 10 yards of each other)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/game- ... -in-the-uk

Author:  Dimrill [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 13:23 ]
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Yeah, read that yesterday. Glad that they're going to provide help for customers during that difficult time. I'll be beside myself.

Author:  DavPaz [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 13:24 ]
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If you're beside yourself, you can comfort yourself.

That would be an epic hug.

Author:  devilman [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 13:27 ]
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Dimrill wrote:
Yeah, read that yesterday. Glad that they're going to provide help for customers during that difficult time. I'll be beside myself.



Quote:
"The majority of the identified sites are located close to another one of our stores, and we will help each customer affected by a closure to transfer to their nearest store"


I think in a fair few cases, they could just point at the nearest store.

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