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Yeah, that too. They should have put "best with a gamepad" or something on there.

Because it's one of my fave 360 games and PC gamers stink of meat and potato pies.

You have to bear in mind some of the history of the PC version of Dark Souls existing.

The studio have basically no experience making PC games. Dark Souls was never ever intended to be on PC.

They only decided to do it because of huge fan demand for it. They were totally upfront about it being a quick and dirty port.

I agree it should say "better with a controller" on the packaging/store descriptions.

The resolution thing is kind of strange, but basically a none-issue since 23 minutes after release when a mod was released to fix it.

Hopefully if it sells well From Software will plan to make a PC version of their future games, including any sequels, and do a better job of it.

Edit: Anyone saying that games which play better with a controller shouldn't get a PC release are crazy. Flight Sims, fighting games and platformers generally don't play very well with a keyboard and mouse, but PC gaming is richer for having the option to play them. One of the brilliant things about PCs is that they can support a massive range of controllers, not just the default/one that the platform holder decides to make you use. Yes it would be better if Dark Souls was playable with a keyboad and mouse, but if you refuse to use anything else, you have the choice of not playing this game.

In which case it shouldn't cost £30 on Steam or be available to buy in a fucking box.

Well it's £18.19 here or £23.99 here from a less dodgy retailer.

Why shouldn't there be a retail version of it?

No, I don't. If you're going to put a boxed game on the shelves and charge for it, it gets judged as a game on its own two feet. Unless you put a massive caveat on the front that says "PROBABLY DON'T BUY THIS - IT'S A BIT SHIT! IN OUR DEFENCE, BEAR IN MIND SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THIS GAME EXISTING".

Lewis is an odd aberration though, in that he is a part of the Beex Hivemind who has also been paid off via Savygamer

Right. So, who's saying this exactly?

I can remember when Half Life 2 was ported to the original Xbox. It wasn't as good as the PC version but those swines charged full price! And they didn't have the decency to stick a big label on the box telling me either, the cunts!

I still paid up, mind. It was a decent game even though it was a poor facsimile of the original. I appreciated that they'd done it though because I wouldn't have played it otherwise.

Good game that Half Life 2.

I've finished it twice dontchaknow.

Not as good <> unplayable without a pad.
Not as good <> didn't even bother to change the on-screen button prompts
Not as good <> requires a community created hack to run in a decent resolution

I can't believe people are actually defending this. Dark Souls being a brilliant game doesn't excuse the PC version being a shocking port.

This is so wrong and irrelevant that I'm genuinely wondering why you bothered to post it.

Is this not the Half Life 2 appreciation thread? Oh noes!

I fully support irrelevant posts. It's the sort of thing I like.

It's almost as if the other reviews didn't play the PC version, yet decided to review it anyway...

This comes as a shock to us all.


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There were many signs like that near some wadis in Oman. They looked stupid at the time, but, on reflection, were only seen where large sumps were, to catch any flash floods as the rain ran from the mountains. In the dry, it was a good place to drive a land rover around in.

It's a statement of fact sign, not an instruction.

So about those new areas, Dave!

I agree, every time I die I facepalm at my own stupidity because I've done something stupid rather than raging at how unfair it all is.

I mostly agree. Pretty much with the exception of Capra, dying has tended to be a result of impatience or stupidy more than anything else.

From October the 8th 2011! Glad you're enjoying it.

Yes, despite its reputation and the fact I'm not usually a fan of "hard" games I'm enjoying this because I'm terrible at it but slowly getting better. I'm an embarassingly short distance into it as well considering how long I've been playing

Regards the debate over the shoddiness of the port - I bought it eyes open to the issues, and because this was after the res mod came out and because I had an X360 pad I didn't figure it'd be a problem for me. Quite right though that there hasn't been enough warning in reviews, on the box and Steam etc that you probably really should be playing it with a pad and it's more a akin to an emulator (metaphorically) running the X360 version of the game than a native version.

It's still great though.

Also I'm amused that with the other issues there's not been much complaining about GFWL. I'm sure it's out there, but drowned out by the rest of the problems.

I don't understand the GfWL hate. I've only used it for one game (Dawn of War 2), but it seems fine.

It's utter shite. Apart from it taking ages to get my account set up, it now won't let me log in for online play regardless of what I do.

Neither do I. It's been more than fine for every game I've played under it. DoW2, DoW2:Chaos Rising, Batman Arkham Asylum, Batman Arkham Asylum GOTY, Where's Wally (yes!), Tinker, Halo 2 and Bioshock 2. No problems at all.

First game with GFWL I've ever played that it's not had at least some issues with, aside from delaying launching the game by about 5 seconds, it's relatively harmless here.

A lot of the problems with GFWL aren't currently relevant for this really. Installing a game that also needs to be patched can be a nightmare, and DS has had no patches yet. Getting into a game with friends and managing friends lists is terribly managed, but although it's used for multiplayer, neither of those functions are needed/possible for DS.

my arse still hurts from trying them yesterday. Ive spent much of today trying to think of a strategy to use tonigt, and not really sure if Ive thoug lt of one which will work. Itll be fun trying them though. See if I can last longer than 30 seconds this time.

Where/what are the new areas?

another thing to note is that the more bonfires work as warp points, is making getting around a bit easier at this point of the game.

Spoiler tag it, but where do you actually access the new areas? Has a new path opened up or is it a separate menu option or?

Where:

what:

my. current plan:

Yeah I'd definitely see if that

can be

because if so then

because it would be

RPS review just went up:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/08 ... e-edition/

Anyone who read that would totally know how rubbish the controls are before spending money!

So it's settled, then. ComicalGnomes should've read that review before spending his money.

So, that's good? Bad?

Fucking reviewers.

Also, "I played with a 360 controller, which pretty much renders this entire review a bit pointless".

Am I right in this perception I'm getting that not many PC games use pads and not many PC gamers have them?

Very much so. If it was so common that not having one was rare, I wouldn't have raised any objection.

I've had a 360 pad for my PC since Geometry Wars came out on Steam, which was before I bought a 360. Some games just need one. Buy one.

It's also very handy for emulation.

You have to approach it from a purists perspective where consoles are child's toys for childish children. Few commentwats on Cack, Bogroll, Shitglitter "own a console unironically".

Research would've been a better word than review - given there were no actual reviews out at the time I posted that*. Simply typing "Dark Souls PC" into google at the time would've given you the information about the nature of the port and what you couyld expect from playing it.

* - With the exception of Amazon reviews, which,yes, would've told you about the mouse and keyboard issue.

For me good game outweighs poor port. And, you know, I'd rather good games were released rather than not.

I think this just proves once and for all that PC gaming is fraught with danger and fiddliness, and that consoles are better.

I mean, yeah, you can bundle together a decent rig for £349 that more than outpowers the current crop of SEVEN YEAR OLD console hardware, but you have to buy fucking peripherals now as well?

I have an xbox pad for my PC, because i'm not a luddite and i'm down with the kids, you losers.

Yay me.

Want.

I just remembered that my save game was just before the final boss so hopefully I'll be able to scurry right over to the new shit. October seems so far away...

Jesus.