Bits & Bobs 45

myp · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 15:45

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Bamba wrote:

The dictionary needs to be updated because the usage has changed in the real world no the other way round.

The dictionary was updated because the usage has changed in the real world.

I know, but Kissyfur's exact words were:

Quote:

You can't change the english language by updating an online dictionary

which is true.

But entirely irrelevant to what we were actually talking about, as well you know.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Future Warrior wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Bamba wrote:

The dictionary needs to be updated because the usage has changed in the real world no the other way round.

The dictionary was updated because the usage has changed in the real world.

I know, but Kissyfur's exact words were:

Quote:

You can't change the english language by updating an online dictionary

which is true.

But entirely irrelevant to what we were actually talking about, as well you know.

I'm not so sure. This started with him complaining about the incorrect usage of a word and as 'proof' that 'they' had 'fixed' it someone copy and pasted a definition from some online dictionary. All that actually proves is that whomever maintains that dictionary had updated their definition, in and of itself it doesn't mean anything anywhere else.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:01

It was Mr Russell "complaining", and me that pulled the definition. Just because something's online doesn't mean it's incorrect - you can also look it up in the OED if you like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570

Then Mr Chris lumbered in and got it wrong, which he does literally all the time

myp · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:03

Grim... wrote:

It was Mr Russell "complaining", and me that pulled the definition. You can also look it up in the OED if you like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570

I am literally LLOLing over this!

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Grim... wrote:

It was Mr Russell "complaining", and me that pulled the definition. You can also look it up in the OED if you like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570

You seem to think I'm disagreeing with the notion that a lot of dictionaries have updated their definition of 'literally'. I'm not.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:04

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

It was Mr Russell "complaining", and me that pulled the definition. You can also look it up in the OED if you like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570

You seem to think I'm disagreeing with the notion that a lot of dictionaries have updated their definition of 'literally'. I'm not.

Then what are you on about?

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:04

Grim... wrote:

It was Mr Russell "complaining", and me that pulled the definition. Just because something's online doesn't mean it's incorrect - you can also look it up in the OED if you like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570

Then Mr Chris lumbered in and got it wrong, which he does literally all the time

The affect of his idiocy effects us all.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Grim... wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

It was Mr Russell "complaining", and me that pulled the definition. You can also look it up in the OED if you like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570

You seem to think I'm disagreeing with the notion that a lot of dictionaries have updated their definition of 'literally'. I'm not.

Then what are you on about?

I'm mulling over, at an abstract level, the concept of 'proving' the changed meaning of a word by quoting a dictionary definition and how potentially troublesome that is.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:05

MaliA wrote:

Grim... wrote:

It was Mr Russell "complaining", and me that pulled the definition. Just because something's online doesn't mean it's incorrect - you can also look it up in the OED if you like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570

Then Mr Chris lumbered in and got it wrong, which he does literally all the time

The affect of his idiocy effects us all.

He should make less posts.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:06

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:07

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

It was Mr Russell "complaining", and me that pulled the definition. You can also look it up in the OED if you like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570

You seem to think I'm disagreeing with the notion that a lot of dictionaries have updated their definition of 'literally'. I'm not.

Then what are you on about?

I'm mulling over, at an abstract level, the concept of 'proving' the changed meaning of a word by quoting a dictionary definition and how potentially troublesome that is.

Would you be less troubled if you considered it an example, rather than proof?

It's both, obviously.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49233

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

It was Mr Russell "complaining", and me that pulled the definition. You can also look it up in the OED if you like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570

You seem to think I'm disagreeing with the notion that a lot of dictionaries have updated their definition of 'literally'. I'm not.

Then what are you on about?

I'm mulling over, at an abstract level, the concept of 'proving' the changed meaning of a word by quoting a dictionary definition and how potentially troublesome that is.

Well quite - as I said earlier:

Cras wrote:

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

You can't change the english language by updating an online dictionary, FFS. You'll be saying impact can be used as a verb, next.

As far as I'm aware, there's no 'official' English language. Oxford University Press can put what the fuck they like in their dictionary, and so can Collins etc.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Kern wrote:

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

That's actually always annoyed me, especially as I sometimes have a weird mental block around translating month names into their number. September should be seven (as 'sept' is seven in French) and October should be eight (because oct) but they stubbornly refuse to line up properly. I don't mind December being twelve because it's easy to remember that with it being that last month in a year.

Kern · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:16

Bamba wrote:

Kern wrote:

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

That's actually always annoyed me

Those Romans were crazy.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:17

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Grim... wrote:

It was Mr Russell "complaining", and me that pulled the definition. You can also look it up in the OED if you like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570

You seem to think I'm disagreeing with the notion that a lot of dictionaries have updated their definition of 'literally'. I'm not.

Then what are you on about?

I'm mulling over, at an abstract level, the concept of 'proving' the changed meaning of a word by quoting a dictionary definition and how potentially troublesome that is.

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Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Kern wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Kern wrote:

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

That's actually always annoyed me

Those Romans were crazy.

They got it right the first time, then Caesar came along and buggered it up.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:36

Kern wrote:

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

Did you hear the earthquake pedant on PM yesterday? He was great. He said something like "the trouble is, journalists have arts degrees and do not understand the meaning of scientific terms, bless them"

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:37

Bamba wrote:

Kern wrote:

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

That's actually always annoyed me, especially as I sometimes have a weird mental block around translating month names into their number. September should be seven (as 'sept' is seven in French) and October should be eight (because oct) but they stubbornly refuse to line up properly. I don't mind December being twelve because it's easy to remember that with it being that last month in a year.

You can use this one weird trick to help you remember:

- Get 12 prostitutes.
- Make sure their names are Janice, Felicity, Mary, April, May, June, Julia, Audrey, Selena, Octavia, Norma and Debra.
- Have sex with them in that order.
- When you need to remember a month, think "who was the eighth girl I ever fucked", and ping - Audrey = August!

You're welcome!

Zardoz · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:46

Dude, you fucked a Skoda.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 16:47

Bamba wrote:

Kern wrote:

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

That's actually always annoyed me, especially as I sometimes have a weird mental block around translating month names into their number. September should be seven (as 'sept' is seven in French) and October should be eight (because oct) but they stubbornly refuse to line up properly. I don't mind December being twelve because it's easy to remember that with it being that last month in a year.

They used to be the 7th and 8th months, until the Romans added Jan and Feb.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38522

TheVision wrote:

A boss of a service (£40k+ a year) was called into a meeting with her boss and another boss. It was scheduled for 9am so she turned up before 9 and sat on a chair in reception... She then proceeded to sit there until 4:30pm as the boss had forgot the meeting was scheduled! She even walked past twice during the day and ignored her!

Amazing!

Too funny to be ignored

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12310

Also, it was literally an Archer quote.

TheVision · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 17:05

DavPaz wrote:

TheVision wrote:

A boss of a service (£40k+ a year) was called into a meeting with her boss and another boss. It was scheduled for 9am so she turned up before 9 and sat on a chair in reception... She then proceeded to sit there until 4:30pm as the boss had forgot the meeting was scheduled! She even walked past twice during the day and ignored her!

Amazing!

Too funny to be ignored

Thank you. It's amused me all day.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5238

Zardoz wrote:

Dude, you fucked a Skoda.

Was it Superb or Rapid?

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

You may well have been taking my post more seriously than it was intended, Cras.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 17:29

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

You may well have been taking my post more seriously than it was intended, Cras.

Schrödinger's Irony: when someone waits for the reaction before they decide whether they were being serious or not.

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Future Warrior wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Kern wrote:

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

That's actually always annoyed me, especially as I sometimes have a weird mental block around translating month names into their number. September should be seven (as 'sept' is seven in French) and October should be eight (because oct) but they stubbornly refuse to line up properly. I don't mind December being twelve because it's easy to remember that with it being that last month in a year.

They used to be the 7th and 8th months, until the Romans added Jan and Feb.

The original Roman calendar has them as seventh and eighth until the 'extra' months were added by Julius Ceasar.

MaliA · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 17:34

Bamba wrote:

Future Warrior wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Kern wrote:

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

That's actually always annoyed me, especially as I sometimes have a weird mental block around translating month names into their number. September should be seven (as 'sept' is seven in French) and October should be eight (because oct) but they stubbornly refuse to line up properly. I don't mind December being twelve because it's easy to remember that with it being that last month in a year.

They used to be the 7th and 8th months, until the Romans added Jan and Feb.

The original Roman calendar has them as seventh and eighth until the 'extra' months were added by Julius Ceasar.

+1

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Future Warrior wrote:

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

You may well have been taking my post more seriously than it was intended, Cras.

Schrödinger's Irony: when someone waits for the reaction before they decide whether they were being serious or not.

No, it was not intended entirely seriously.

I am a massive nazi on language, but I am aware that language, despite my dislike, will evolve. Doesn't mean I have to like it though.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 17:41

Bamba wrote:

Future Warrior wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Kern wrote:

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

That's actually always annoyed me, especially as I sometimes have a weird mental block around translating month names into their number. September should be seven (as 'sept' is seven in French) and October should be eight (because oct) but they stubbornly refuse to line up properly. I don't mind December being twelve because it's easy to remember that with it being that last month in a year.

They used to be the 7th and 8th months, until the Romans added Jan and Feb.

The original Roman calendar has them as seventh and eighth until the 'extra' months were added by Julius Ceasar.

Not technically correct. The Julian calendar added a 30th day for September.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2015 21:08

Bamba wrote:

Future Warrior wrote:

Bamba wrote:

Kern wrote:

I was listening to R4's 'More or less' the other day, and in response to pedants' letters about what proportion makes a decimation, the host noted that nobody complains about the tenth month being 'October'.

That's actually always annoyed me, especially as I sometimes have a weird mental block around translating month names into their number. September should be seven (as 'sept' is seven in French) and October should be eight (because oct) but they stubbornly refuse to line up properly. I don't mind December being twelve because it's easy to remember that with it being that last month in a year.

They used to be the 7th and 8th months, until the Romans added Jan and Feb.

The original Roman calendar has them as seventh and eighth until the 'extra' months were added by Julius Ceasar.

It's one of those facts that is passed around.

Not really the case though. July and august were renamed to that from quintilis and sextilis (or something like that), not added. January and february were added long before he existed

And March was the first month of the year, hence why february does weird length changing things.

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

Future Warrior wrote:

MaliA wrote:

In Interstellar space they use km as a local distance

But the metre was initially defined as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole, so why use this kind of measurement and not AU?

For the same reason we used VHS rather than the superior Betamax.

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

"A U, how far is it to the planet on which life originated?"

"That's right."

"Idiot."

Warhead · Noob as of 6/8/10

Not sure if that worked, really.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25739

Mr Russell wrote:

Also, it was literally an Archer quote.

Wait...

Yes, literally.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25739

I'd be up for us just de-naming the months, and getting rid of the old mis-numbered ones and others relating to old gods of extinct religions. Maybe replace them with new numbered ones and maybe some other kinds of gods - maybe rock gods.

'Schedule my appointment for the 16th of Eighth'. 'It's my birthday on the 21st of Lemmy.'

Zardoz · **Posted:** Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:44

Seconded.

Kern · **Posted:** Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:47

The months of the French revolutionary calendar were pretty rubbish.
We're currently in the the month of mist.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38522

Didn't they try to decimalise time?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14498

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Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25739

Kern wrote:

The months of the French revolutionary calendar were pretty rubbish.
We're currently in the the month of mist.

Looking out of my window that would seem entirely appropriate today.

I don't like that the months don't have an equal number or pattern of days. What I suggest is that we have nine months of 36 days each, six weeks of a 6 day week per month (4 work days, two day weekend), and then the final, 10th month can be 41/42 (leap years) days long, with the additional five days all given over to the festive season and holidaying/beer pong.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:39

Mimi wrote:

Kern wrote:

The months of the French revolutionary calendar were pretty rubbish.
We're currently in the the month of mist.

Looking out of my window that would seem entirely appropriate today.

I don't like that the months don't have an equal number or pattern of days. What I suggest is that we have nine months of 36 days each, six weeks of a 6 day week per month (4 work days, two day weekend), and then the final, 10th month can be 41/42 (leap years) days long, with the additional five days all given over to the festive season and holidaying/beer pong.

Are you on crack?

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25739

Is that what you are going to ask the people that decided 31, 28 or 29, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31 was a good idea?!?!

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25739

At least spread some of those 31s down a bit to bolster out February (Henceforth known as the month of Joplin) a bit.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:02

Mimi wrote:

Is that what you are going to ask the people that decided 31, 28 or 29, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31 was a good idea?!?!

It's like asking why the UK road network isn't a grid system. If you were designing it from scratch then it's a good idea, but changing it now after thousands of years of refinement?

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25739

But I'm not asking why, I'm saying time for change! We used to measure things in barley corns, and the length of the distance between the king's nose and his outstretched arm... It doesn't mean there isn't a better way. And today, the 16th day of Hendrix, is the time to launch this campaign!

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25739

Future Warrior wrote:

Mimi wrote:

Is that what you are going to ask the people that decided 31, 28 or 29, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31 was a good idea?!?!

It's like asking why the UK road network isn't a grid system. If you were designing it from scratch then it's a good idea, but changing it now after thousands of years of refinement?

Not the same thing, sneaky editor. The U.K. road system changes daily and constantly evolves. The marking of days is simply outmoded, and as past measuring systems have been improved by the sensible metric system, so must the months of numbers and rock gods replace the gods of antiquity and their sloppy numbering shambles!

myp · **Posted:** Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:13

Mimi wrote:

Future Warrior wrote:

Mimi wrote:

Is that what you are going to ask the people that decided 31, 28 or 29, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31, 31, 30, 31, 30, 31 was a good idea?!?!

It's like asking why the UK road network isn't a grid system. If you were designing it from scratch then it's a good idea, but changing it now after thousands of years of refinement?

Not the same thing, sneaky editor. The U.K. road system changes daily and constantly evolves. The marking of days is simply outmoded, and as past measuring systems have been improved by the sensible metric system, so must the months of numbers and rock gods replace the gods of antiquity and their sloppy numbering shambles!

Because decimal time worked out well for the French, didn't it?

myp · **Posted:** Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:14

Fuck it, let's just do it. Let's rise up against the bourgeousie! We must have this done by the 38th of Bono to stand a chance.

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

I'm with Mimi. It's time for humanity to evolve to the next level of consciousness. It's all about taking one small step at a time.

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