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Author:  Cavey [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:30 ]
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Anyone got any thoughts on the new M3? Looks pretty much like the last one, at least to my eyes (that is to say, good), but there is a huge, huge difference: downsized engine with twin turbo power.

Personally speaking, I think it's sacrilege that an M3 is fitted with turbo(s); to my mind that's a bit like fitting an auto gearbox to a motorbike - it's just not done. Sure enough, the new mill tops out at around 7200RPM - a good 1000RPM shy of the NA V8's electrifying 8500RPM redline - and offers great dollops of torque right across the rev range, which will entirely change the whole character of the car, and how to drive it fast.

The yoghurt-weaving brigade will doubtless be pleased with the reduced emissions/increased economy (well, at least less annoyed at any rate), but me? Call me old fashioned, which I certainly am of course, but I'll miss that popping, banging, ill-behaved screamer of an E46 NA six, still surely one of the best engines ever to grace the bonnet of a "normal" car.

Progress, huh. Still, it goes like stink, sure enough, and will show even my Cayman a clean set of tyres, at least on the straights.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:38 ]
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Cavey wrote:
Anyone got any thoughts on the new M3? Looks pretty much like the last one, at least to my eyes (that is to say, good), but there is a huge, huge difference: downsized engine with twin turbo power.

Personally speaking, I think it's sacrilege that an M3 is fitted with turbo(s); to my mind that's a bit like fitting an auto gearbox to a motorbike - it's just not done.


Ahem...

http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2013-ho ... tc-review/
Author:  Cavey [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:59 ]
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Anyone got any thoughts on the new M3? Looks pretty much like the last one, at least to my eyes (that is to say, good), but there is a huge, huge difference: downsized engine with twin turbo power.

Personally speaking, I think it's sacrilege that an M3 is fitted with turbo(s); to my mind that's a bit like fitting an auto gearbox to a motorbike - it's just not done.


Ahem...

http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2013-ho ... tc-review/


Oh sure, I know it's been done mate, in fact I can just about remember the old "HondaMatic" CB-400N Superdreams of the '70s. :)

Needless to say though, not my cup of tea!
Author:  BikNorton [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 15:10 ]
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The e36 m3 was brilliant to wind up to 8k.

the land-whale is brilliant to wind up to 5k.

I imagine putting the two turbos from one on the motor from the other would be a fucking riot.
Author:  GazChap [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 15:24 ]
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The S54 (?) engine in the E46 M3 is a fucking peach, one of the greatest engines I've ever experienced. I was torn between the E61 M5 I ended up buying, and a Z4 M Coupe with the S54 engine in it.

That said, I'm not opposed to turbo M-cars. Motorsport in general isn't exactly a stranger to using turbochargers after all.
Author:  Zardoz [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 15:26 ]
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My parcel shelf has retractable cords!
Author:  markg [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 15:28 ]
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So you can just reel out a new pair whenever you shit your pants? I like it.
Author:  Cavey [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 15:57 ]
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GazChap wrote:
The S54 (?) engine in the E46 M3 is a fucking peach, one of the greatest engines I've ever experienced.


:this:

One cannot say this often enough; WHAT AN ENGINE, A MASTERPIECE! :luv:

Quote:
That said, I'm not opposed to turbo M-cars. Motorsport in general isn't exactly a stranger to using turbochargers after all.


Hmm, well, I'm not denying turbos are effective, and much more efficient. Motorsport is all about going faster than the next guy, so turbos will always be the way forward there. Still, if we're talking purely driver enjoyment/satisfaction, for me the screaming, free-revving, high redline of a *good* 6+pot, naturally aspirated engine, with instant, lag-free throttle response is hard to beat? I am a luddite though. :)
Author:  BikNorton [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 18:01 ]
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Shame they haven't done one big blower with the electric twin, like they've done on the 550d (two turbos and a spindle-mounted motor to get it going). That revs out to 5500, madly - I was surprised to see mine happily going as far as 5k.

But short runners, small turbos and hopefully twin scroll should it nicely, response-wise.

They do do turbo differently, the housing on the twin setup on the 535d is clever and unique (and suffers because of over-engineering obviously, I need the actuator replacing on mine). The v-mount on the x5 was revolutionary too.
Author:  Cavey [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 18:06 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
Shame they haven't done one big blower with the electric twin, like they've done on the 550d (two turbos and a motor to get it going). That revs out to 5500, madly - I was surprised to see mine happily going as far as 5k.

But short runners, small turbos and hopefully twin scroll should it nicely, response-wise.


Yeah, if turbo has to be there, I'd have expected assymetric twin units.
I supposed they were worried about too much of a throttle response penalty, though, and it's not as though the new car lacks for power (or torque).

(Totally unrelated, I've just pulled up a whole bunch of stinging nettles without gloves, which was a really, really bad idea. Zinging like a bitch; my left hand looks like a brake light... feckin things. Ouch).
Author:  krazywookie [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 19:14 ]
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I have ordered wheel spacers to put on my mr2 to stop the inside of the rim scuffing the strut when cornering hard. I cannot afford the crystal front indicators and side repeaters until after the wedding (and subsequent recovery period) so am considering respraying the near side front wing where I put it through a fence as that wont be as expensive. Also probably should get a battery soon as the current one goes flat after sitting for two days and the current draw is only 30mA so its not a drain I think, just a rubbish battery. Fixed one rattle (loose electric windy inny mechanism in wing mirror), 3 to go. The worst one is behind the dash somewhere and I fear it :(
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Author:  BikNorton [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 19:18 ]
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If my car is pulling itself along at idle and i brake or flip it into reverse, something under the front end goes CLANK.

I suspect it's the same thing that goes POING when i drive the steering slightly too hard for the speed, especially over the road crown.

I can't afford to get that looked at for a few months (nor the turbo actuator and vacuum hoses)... Because of my wedding.

o/ I guess?
Author:  krazywookie [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 19:38 ]
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to extrapolate noises are as follows:
1) FfffFFffffFFffff
2) claclclaclclacl
3) DACK.....DACKDACK.....DACK etc.
4) ee...ee-ee-ee...ee-ee...ee... Etc.
Author:  asfish [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 22:24 ]
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Not driven my new car much as we went to Spain 2 days after I picked it up for a weeks holiday

We did take it down to Gatwick so now my wife is using it as the baby seat is in it.

So I have the 56 2.0 TDI Octavia, sure beats a Micra!
Author:  Curiosity [ Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:59 ]
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My car has the weirdest fault.

The left hand speakers don't work in 1st and 2nd gear, but do all the rest of the time.

Basically pushing the gear stick left must connect with something that turns them off.
Author:  Grim... [ Mon Apr 21, 2014 14:38 ]
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That is weird. Is reverse over there?
Author:  Curiosity [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:46 ]
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Grim... wrote:
That is weird. Is reverse over there?


Nope. Just 1st and 2nd.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:57 ]
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Bizarre.
Author:  Trooper [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:18 ]
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Have you tried hitting them?
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:29 ]
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Author:  Curiosity [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:48 ]
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Oh my god tyres are so expensive and I don't even have a good car! Looks like 90 quid a tyre and I need 4 new ones :(
Author:  markg [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:50 ]
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Sounds a bit much. What size are they? Have you tried looking on the Internet or is this just the price from a local Kwik Fit or something?
Author:  Curiosity [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:56 ]
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That's from Black Circles, including putting them on the car.

Admittedly, it's not choosing the cheapest option, but still more than I had hoped.

What's odd is that when I input my car into the site (or any site) it gives me two tyre options, with different sizes in all dimensions. Naturally the ones on my car are the more expensive ones; would the others work as well?
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:58 ]
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That'll be where your car could have come with a couple of different size wheels from the factory.
Just go and read the numbers off the tyres that are on there now and buy those.
Author:  markg [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:00 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Naturally the ones on my car are the more expensive ones; would the others work as well?

Sure why not? Tyres are made of rubber and rubber is stretchy.
Author:  Curiosity [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:02 ]
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markg wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Naturally the ones on my car are the more expensive ones; would the others work as well?

Sure why not? Tyres are made of rubber and rubber is stretchy.


Cool!
Author:  Trooper [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:03 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
That's from Black Circles, including putting them on the car.

Admittedly, it's not choosing the cheapest option, but still more than I had hoped.

What's odd is that when I input my car into the site (or any site) it gives me two tyre options, with different sizes in all dimensions. Naturally the ones on my car are the more expensive ones; would the others work as well?


What are the numbers? If the wheel size is the same then they may be ok, it could just be a difference in width and sidewall ratio, as long as you ned up with a similar rolling radius in the end....
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:10 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
That's from Black Circles, including putting them on the car.

http://www.etyres.co.uk/ will put them on your car, too. £90 does seem like a lot.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:15 ]
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Depends on the size. For 17" and a decent brand, £90 isn't necessarily too far off.

MyTyres is another decent online service, and bizarrely Kwik Fit often do some very good prices if you get a quote online - much cheaper than if you call the branch.
Author:  Trooper [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:18 ]
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Oh, yes. £90 is bloody cheap :D
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:20 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Oh, yes. £90 is bloody cheap :D


I was very tempted by a Vauxhall Cascada but the tyres were slightly unusual 18" or 19" ones and they were roughly £200 a corner!
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:22 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Oh, yes. £90 is bloody cheap :D

Well, quite. But not for a Focus.
Author:  BikNorton [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:24 ]
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I've seen a lot of astras recently.with 19inch wheels BUT a much taller profile than my 535d on its 18s. Properly absurd, and presumably to achieve economy figures.
Author:  Curiosity [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:25 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Oh, yes. £90 is bloody cheap :D

Well, quite. But not for a Focus.


Not even a Focus; a Fusion!

I dream of having a Focus!

Tyres are 16 inch.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:26 ]
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In the US, a Fusion looks like this:
Attachment:
Ford_Fusion_WAS_2012_0529[1].JPG


What are the rest of the numbers?
Author:  BikNorton [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:28 ]
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You may find you can increase the width and decrease the profile for the same rolling radius but a more common and cheaper size.

Skoda put 205/50/r17 on the octy vrs and swapping to 225/45/r17 was a popular change, with only a 1.5% change in radius.

There's a website that does the calcs, I can't remember what its called. 'will it fit' or something.
Author:  Trooper [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:35 ]
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BikNorton wrote:
I can't remember what its called. 'will it fit' or something.


Will.I.Am's porn star brother.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:41 ]
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:DD
Author:  GazChap [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 14:22 ]
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The loud exhausts have been taken off the M5 in preparation for selling the beast.

It doesn't feel the same :(
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 14:26 ]
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Wait, what? You only just got it!
Author:  GazChap [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 14:33 ]
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I've had it for 10 months. That's practically a life time for me ;)

I'm having to make some pretty drastic reductions in my monthly outgoings, and £350 a month in fuel just doesn't cut it any more.
Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 14:42 ]
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GazChap wrote:
£350 a month in fuel just doesn't cut it any more.

8)
Author:  GazChap [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 14:44 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
GazChap wrote:
£350 a month in fuel just doesn't cut it any more.

8)

Yup. That's what averaging 11 miles per gallon does for you ;) It'd be less than that now that I've moved back to my flat so can walk to work, but I've sold my flat now and am looking to buy a house - so needs must.
Author:  DavPaz [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 14:50 ]
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I'm averaging £30 a week. You should buy a 16 year old 1.2 clio :)
Author:  GazChap [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 14:52 ]
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Heheh. The truly annoying thing is I've got a huge stockpile of Castrol 10W60 that now won't get used, unless I buy another M car.

(M3 convertible it is, then!)
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 14:54 ]
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I'm starting to seriously look at big cats.

The 4 litre S types are so cheap!
Author:  GazChap [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 15:02 ]
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You mean S-Types?
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 15:10 ]
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GazChap wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
GazChap wrote:
£350 a month in fuel just doesn't cut it any more.

8)

Yup. That's what averaging 11 miles per gallon does for you ;) It'd be less than that now that I've moved back to my flat so can walk to work, but I've sold my flat now and am looking to buy a house - so needs must.


Erk!
That would scare me too much.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 15:26 ]
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GazChap wrote:
You mean S-Types?

Oops. Yup.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 18:10 ]
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Asda online sell car tyres. Might be worth a look.
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