I don't think I want to see any advance publicity for this finale. I want it to all be a nice surprise for me when I sit there open mouthed.
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Not a great finale if you ask me. Something not quite right there.
Tish and fipsy.
It was better than God.
It was better than God.
Nirejhenge wrote:
Not a great finale if you ask me. Something not quite right there.
I'll tell you what's not quite right: YOU and your WRONGNESS.
What's with the pandorica being able to fly? Why did they make a prison he could fly? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
Sorry, I'm with Nirejhenge...all that build up and the finale felt like 45 minutes of filler.
I thoroughly enjoyed it 
You'd have all slaughtered RTD for an ending like that.
I'm uncomfortable with the following:
1. All that build up to being shoved in the pandorica and he's out of it in a flash.
2. You go to all that trouble of building a super prison and it can fly around the place? WHAT?
3. IF YOU REMEMBER THEM THEY WILL COME. Oh come on that was just bollocks.
4. Alex Kingston's acting was frequently terrible. She seemed very uncomfortable with a lot of the techy lines.
5. The dialogue was rather poor, spending most of the time coming up with techno-babble about the situation they were in.
6. Did Amelia have any purpose in it at all?
7. Why exactly build a prison with a regenerating light inside it?
8. What was with the 'silence will fall' voice throughout the series then?
9. It was just way too flippant for a finale.
Having said all that there were quite a few good lines and Matt Smith was still wonderful. Some of the time jokes were good.
I'm uncomfortable with the following:
1. All that build up to being shoved in the pandorica and he's out of it in a flash.
2. You go to all that trouble of building a super prison and it can fly around the place? WHAT?
3. IF YOU REMEMBER THEM THEY WILL COME. Oh come on that was just bollocks.
4. Alex Kingston's acting was frequently terrible. She seemed very uncomfortable with a lot of the techy lines.
5. The dialogue was rather poor, spending most of the time coming up with techno-babble about the situation they were in.
6. Did Amelia have any purpose in it at all?
7. Why exactly build a prison with a regenerating light inside it?
8. What was with the 'silence will fall' voice throughout the series then?
9. It was just way too flippant for a finale.
Having said all that there were quite a few good lines and Matt Smith was still wonderful. Some of the time jokes were good.
The silence is yet to be explained, as is River, when you think about it. There's another series next year.
Re: the regenerating light - you need to keep The Doctor alive in his current incarnation forever to keep him imprisoned. No other species can build something as hardy as a Tardis and we have already established how damaging a regeneration can be to one of them, the Pandorica wouldn't work without it. The Doctor had ten whole minutes to make the Pandorica be something that can fly. They probably planned to fly it somewhere once he was in it in any case. Heart of the sun or something, next to the Galactica.
/edit if RTD had written that ending I'd not have slaughered him for it. We knew The Doctor would get sprung early doors, or there'd be no episode. There was only a tiny amount of enemy of the week in it, a single broken Dalek for all of three minutes and very, very cool with it as opposed to increasingly drawn-out and hysterical Master/Cybers/Timelords/Whatever. Instead we see a Time Lord lording it over time. And Amy in a wedding dress. Fappity fap fap fap.
Re: the regenerating light - you need to keep The Doctor alive in his current incarnation forever to keep him imprisoned. No other species can build something as hardy as a Tardis and we have already established how damaging a regeneration can be to one of them, the Pandorica wouldn't work without it. The Doctor had ten whole minutes to make the Pandorica be something that can fly. They probably planned to fly it somewhere once he was in it in any case. Heart of the sun or something, next to the Galactica.
/edit if RTD had written that ending I'd not have slaughered him for it. We knew The Doctor would get sprung early doors, or there'd be no episode. There was only a tiny amount of enemy of the week in it, a single broken Dalek for all of three minutes and very, very cool with it as opposed to increasingly drawn-out and hysterical Master/Cybers/Timelords/Whatever. Instead we see a Time Lord lording it over time. And Amy in a wedding dress. Fappity fap fap fap.
One other thing - I didn't sob at this one, and I preferred that. The end of a series doesn't have to be harrowing. Felt like Moff wanted us to have a choice in how we felt, as opposed to the YOU WILL WEEP fist of anguish that usually accompanied RTD endings. This, by the way is comparison, not criticism.
Sometimes it is enough to be fun, heartwarming, exciting, lovely, clever and ace. I wasn't saying goodbye to (in series order to date) Doctor 9, Rose, good scripts, Rose again, or Doctor 10 this time, we just saw Amy and Rory get married and The Doctor's hat explode. Onward to adventure, no bones broken, see you at Xmas for some dumb fun and then next year we'll talk about River and the Silence.
Which is the sort of thing we were all hoping for, innit?
Sometimes it is enough to be fun, heartwarming, exciting, lovely, clever and ace. I wasn't saying goodbye to (in series order to date) Doctor 9, Rose, good scripts, Rose again, or Doctor 10 this time, we just saw Amy and Rory get married and The Doctor's hat explode. Onward to adventure, no bones broken, see you at Xmas for some dumb fun and then next year we'll talk about River and the Silence.
Which is the sort of thing we were all hoping for, innit?
Utterly loved that. Magic. Easily a 10/10
And for those moaning that '"it didn't make sense" and picking holes, I suggest that you watch it again and pay closer attention! It all made perfect sense to me.
And for those moaning that '"it didn't make sense" and picking holes, I suggest that you watch it again and pay closer attention! It all made perfect sense to me.
GovernmentYard wrote:
The silence is yet to be explained, as is River, when you think about it. There's another series next year.
This was specifically said by Moffat in the Dr Who confidential episode tonight , next season we find out about who was taking the Tardis to that point to blow it up , and we find out all about River
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I wonder if my problems with it are largely derived from RTD ingraining the idea of a big spectacular blockbuster as season finale. It came as a bit of a shock that it was relatively small scale.
It's possibly that. Last week was Moff does RTD certainly, this week it went in a different direction. I remember the 'specials' of last year underwhelming and annoying when they did little other than hint at a big finale to come. Thing is though - RTD had bled that finale style dry, there really wasn't anywhere to go with it all well before he finished and he was lucky to end as well as he did. I think this season I've been enjoying the episodes for what they were, rather than angling for the finale and exposition contained therein.
Loved it.
I enjoyed that, except for the remember it and it'll come back fudge. Surely Amy could start "remembering" the crack in the wall and we'll be back at square one?
Anyway, that episode confirmed to me a suspicion. River is Captain Jack.
Anyway, that episode confirmed to me a suspicion. River is Captain Jack.
So wait, the Doctor now has an Auton as a regular companion? Awesome!
Oh and I loved it...
And the point with Amelia was
Oh and I loved it...
And the point with Amelia was
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End of an Era wrote:
I enjoyed that, except for the remember it and it'll come back fudge.
But remembering is how time exists, otherwise everything would only be now and nothing would work. Remembering is everything. As the characters remember, the viewer remembers and the series fits together and works. Remembering on both sides of the screen. The mechanism and to some extent the theme. I loved it, personally.
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So wait, the Doctor now has an Auton as a regular companion? Awesome!
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I watched it very late last night whilst drunk. I enjoyed it. When I watch it sober, I'll see if it holds up. I think it will.
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Anyway, that episode confirmed to me a suspicion. River is Captain Jack.
What a very disturbing thought ............ that's going to give me nightmares you know.
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Finally got round to seeing it and yeah, I loved it! A truly awesome episode and a great way to end the season. If RTD had written something like that, I would be been applauding him, not slaughtering him over it (and for what it's worth, I did rather like the season two finale, even if it did uselessly waste having the Daleks and the Cybermen together).
I'm thinking that, under scrutiny, the plot doesn't quite work logically, since the Doctor got out of the Pandorica by giving Rory the sonic screwdriver and telling him to use it. Of course, the Doctor would already need to be out of the Pandorica to be able to do that... unless I'm missing something? Not that I really care - I find that the more fun I have watching something, the more I'm willing to forgive plot holes and I had an enormous amount of fun watching that!
We really have been treated this year. Steven Moffat, Matt Smith and Karen Gillan have made an awesome combo.
I'm thinking that, under scrutiny, the plot doesn't quite work logically, since the Doctor got out of the Pandorica by giving Rory the sonic screwdriver and telling him to use it. Of course, the Doctor would already need to be out of the Pandorica to be able to do that... unless I'm missing something? Not that I really care - I find that the more fun I have watching something, the more I'm willing to forgive plot holes and I had an enormous amount of fun watching that!
We really have been treated this year. Steven Moffat, Matt Smith and Karen Gillan have made an awesome combo.
This series was the first time I've ever really followed Dr Who (the missus is a fan, whereas I generally hate anything vaguely sci-fi) and I thought it was fantastic.
Really liked that.
You only liked it cos there was a wedding in it!
ZOMGMAZIN' though. *wipes away tear*
ZOMGMAZIN' though. *wipes away tear*
It's even better when watched sober. Fantastic!
I loved it, loved the whole serious in fact. Smith is tremendous in the role.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I loved it, loved the whole serious in fact. Smith is tremendous in the role.
Do you mean the serious series which is seriously serious?
I type fast and think slower.
I loved it! At one point I was waving my arms around in a kind of "Of course... That makes perfect sense" kind of way.
I tried explaining it all to the girlfriend but I was far too excited.
I tried explaining it all to the girlfriend but I was far too excited.
Bobbyaro wrote:
meh.
GTF!
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It was in "The Next Doctor", which I believe was the 2008 Christmas Special. It wasn't very good, IMO.
He can rabble-rouse pretty well, this Doctor. Anyone else catch his cameo at Glastonbury? Orbital highlights, a mo ago on 2.
I'll have a look for that, cheers. Orbital's Who theme being the best one, and Matt Smith having quite a respectable taste in music it has to be said.
JBR wrote:
He can rabble-rouse pretty well, this Doctor. Anyone else catch his cameo at Glastonbury? Orbital highlights, a mo ago on 2.
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Bobbyaro wrote:
meh.
GTF!
Most of the episode felt like a trailer for next series, what wasn't seemed like filler. and it wasn't even very good filler. And it made no sense, not even no sense in a "well time travel is paradoxical" way, but no sense in a "glaring plot holes and inconsistent storyline" way.
I was left feeling disappointed.
I find I do agree with Bobbyaro on this. I did still enjoy the fun of it for the most part. It was just that it was all a little too easily thrown away via things like the sonic screwdriver opening the pandorica. The whole paradoxes thing was just silly really.
What were the plot holes and inconsistencies, then? It all made perfect sense to me at the time, but I may have missed something.
What's wrong with the sonic screwdriver opening the Pandorica? It opens pretty much anything else.
The Doctor said in part 1 that getting into the Pandorica wasn't a problem, he wanted to make sure he knew what was inside it before he let it out first, that was the issue.
The Doctor said in part 1 that getting into the Pandorica wasn't a problem, he wanted to make sure he knew what was inside it before he let it out first, that was the issue.
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