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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
That's just numbers and letters. I don't really care. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:58 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: That's just numbers and letters. I don't really care. You did a second ago. DavPaz wrote: I'd have a Ford over a BMW any day. See? |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Yeah, but they're words. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:09 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Can't find much information on Mondeo vs BMW 3/5 series - Ford were the best selling manufacturer of 2011 with 13.6% of all new car sales, compared to BMW's 6% - I can't find model breakdowns though so that doesn't mean a lot. Fair do's mate, but I guess the Fiesta and Focus will account for a fair chunk of that (and there are no BMW equivalents to these - yet). Anecdotal stuff of course, but the motoring mags have been talking for ages about the rise of the premium brands over volume equivalents; I remember the days when the roads were full of Ford Granadas and Vauxhall Carltons, but there aren't even any large volume cars at all now, pretty much (C6 excepted and they are as rare as rocking horse shit). |
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| Author: | myp [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:18 ] |
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Grim... wrote: DavPaz wrote: I'd have a Ford over a BMW any day. Maybe I don't understand panache. Okay, 2004 Mk1 Ford Ka or a 2004 BMW M3 CSL? I'd have a Ford Mustang Boss over a BMW 1 series diesel. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:18 ] |
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Captain Caveman wrote: Fair do's mate, but I guess the Fiesta and Focus will account for a fair chunk of that (and there are no BMW equivalents to these - yet). Fo' sho. Isn't the 1 series Fiesta-sized, though? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Here's 2010's figures. Only one 'premium' model in there: Quote: 1st Ford Fiesta 103,013
2nd Vauxhall Astra 80,646 3rd Ford Focus 77,804 4th Vauxhall Corsa 77,398 5th VW Golf 58,116 6th VW Polo 45,517 7th Peugeot 207 42,185 8th BMW 3-series 42,020 9th Mini hatchback 41,883 10th Nissan Qashqai 39,048 |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
myp wrote: Grim... wrote: DavPaz wrote: I'd have a Ford over a BMW any day. Maybe I don't understand panache. Okay, 2004 Mk1 Ford Ka or a 2004 BMW M3 CSL? I'd have a Ford Mustang Boss over a BMW 1 series diesel. That's not even sort of an answer to the question. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Craster wrote: Here's 2010's figures. Only one 'premium' model in there: Quote: 1st Ford Fiesta 103,013 2nd Vauxhall Astra 80,646 3rd Ford Focus 77,804 4th Vauxhall Corsa 77,398 5th VW Golf 58,116 6th VW Polo 45,517 7th Peugeot 207 42,185 8th BMW 3-series 42,020 9th Mini hatchback 41,883 10th Nissan Qashqai 39,048 No Mondeo, though. [edit]Qashqai? Qashqai? Stupid bloody country. |
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| Author: | myp [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:19 ] |
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Grim... wrote: myp wrote: Grim... wrote: DavPaz wrote: I'd have a Ford over a BMW any day. Maybe I don't understand panache. Okay, 2004 Mk1 Ford Ka or a 2004 BMW M3 CSL? I'd have a Ford Mustang Boss over a BMW 1 series diesel. That's not even sort of an answer to the question. It was a silly question. 
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
It was a silly statement
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| Author: | Cavey [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
I dunno though mate; according to my interpretation (  ), those stats actually bolster my case - many more people chose the smaller, more cramped, more expensive 3-series than a Mondeo, Insignia, Laguna or indeed any volume larger family car? Surely this says that badge snobbery is alive and well in the UK; this would never have been the case in the 80s/90s - Sierras, Cavaliers and Mk 1 Mondies were *everywhere*. (Indeed, the term 'Mondeo Man' was coined politically).I'm not saying this is necessarily right, of course. In fact, objectively speaking, it quite probably isn't, although having said that, a premium brand will tend to depreciate less - sometimes much less - than the volume equivalent. So when it comes to chopping in after 3 years, you're actually quids in overall. I certainly found that with my TT - it only lost 28% of its value in this timescale despite covering fully 60,000 miles. The Cayman lost only a mere 17.5% - albeit over 2.5 years and only 35,000 miles covered. By comparison, you're not going to sell a £20k from new, 3-year old Mondeo with 60k miles on the clock for £14.5k - Auto Trader suggests only half that amount at best, if it's a petrol. So, £7k+ in additional depreciation after 3 years is one hell of a hit. In my case, I'm a sucker for a great badge. Cars are not a rational purchase for me, any more than motorbikes. I'd take a Ducati over a Honda any day, even if it's slower and more expensive. It may be wrong, but that's the kind of guy I am. You pays your money and you makes your choice etc. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Captain Caveman wrote: In my case, I'm a sucker for a great badge. 
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| Author: | Cavey [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
I can't see that Zarz, but I'm guessing the 'badge knob jockey' filename isn't good news for me. EDIT: Ah right. Soz. 
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
The North West may not be representative of the rest of the country in that regard. It seems that every 3rd car here is a fucking Audi. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
DavPaz wrote: The North West may not be representative of the rest of the country in that regard. It seems that every 3rd car here is a fucking Audi. Popular fleet cars, and there's decent lease deals, I would have thought. EDIT: A3 is about £50 a week. TT is £65 EDIT2: Cayman is £125 a week. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Captain Caveman wrote: I can't see that Zarz, but I'm guessing the 'badge knob jockey' filename isn't good news for me. The image messed up then someone popped over before I could sort it, got you another one now.
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Does the sales include fleet? |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
I have done a survey in the most scientific way available to be. I have looked out of my window and counted the car makes I can see in the car park and surrounding road. Thusly: 6 Ford, 4 Toyota, 3 Citroen, 3 Mini, 2 Fiat, 2 Peugeot, 2 Vauxhall and 1 each of Renault, VW, Alpha, BMW, Honda, Kia, Saab and Rover. I have disproved my sweeping statement. That was fun. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Can you check our carpark too
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Captain Caveman wrote: I dunno though mate; according to my interpretation ( ), those stats actually bolster my case - many more people chose the smaller, more cramped, more expensive 3-series than a Mondeo, Insignia, Laguna or indeed any volume larger family car?Sure, I agree - "no Mondeo" meant "so it was outsold by the 3-series". The next troublesome thing comes with identifying if they had a family to fill the car with, of course
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| Author: | Cavey [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
MaliA wrote: DavPaz wrote: The North West may not be representative of the rest of the country in that regard. It seems that every 3rd car here is a fucking Audi. Popular fleet cars, and there's decent lease deals, I would have thought. EDIT: A3 is about £50 a week. TT is £65 EDIT2: Cayman is £125 a week. Yes, and ironically Mali, it is precisely because such cars tend to be worth much more after 3 years than volume equivalents (i.e. their residual value, which isn't financed, is much greater), this means they are (relatively) cheap to lease. For many people, this makes the whole thing a bit of a no-brainer. Nice new Audi on your drive for £50/week and no hassle having to sell at the end etc. seems like a reasonable proposition for many, I've no doubt. (By way of example, £13k depreciation over 3 years on a £20k car you've bought yourself amounts to £83.33 per week!) Actually, have you got links for these please mate? |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
I think I would lease a car if I had too rather than buy one. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Captain Caveman wrote: Actually, have you got links for these please mate? http://www.leasingoptions.co.uk/audi-car-leasing It's about £500 a week for an GT3, to save you looking
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| Author: | kalmar [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
I get the peons to pre-depreciate mine for me. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
MaliA wrote: Captain Caveman wrote: Actually, have you got links for these please mate? http://www.leasingoptions.co.uk/audi-car-leasing It's about £500 a week for an GT3, to save you looking Heh. Cheers mate. Actually, you can have a brand spanking new TT for £58.84/week, according to that, which seems like one heck of a bargain to me. EDIT - plus VAT, mind, and also an £1800 initial payment. *Still* seems cheap though, even taking these into account. |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Interesting that the Leaf is far cheaper to lease than the i-Miev. Wonder if that's down to residuals. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
kalmar wrote: I get the peons to pre-depreciate mine for me. Me too. I fucking hate cars, I'd be rich if I didn't need one. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:42 ] |
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kalmar wrote: Interesting that the Leaf is far cheaper to lease than the i-Miev. Wonder if that's down to residuals. Just wait till Autumn they'll drop even more then. |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:42 ] |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 13:54 ] |
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Talking of 'leccy cars, the Formula E racing car has arrived, as I heard this morning: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne ... 675473.stm Sounds pretty interesting - just as fast as an F1 car, with 850bhp and rwd. Yummy. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
KovacsC wrote: I think I would lease a car if I had too rather than buy one. I do, as most of you know. As does Craster. The lease on the Mundano is up in April 
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| Author: | myp [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:37 ] |
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Grim... wrote: The lease on the Mundano is up in April So? Get another one! |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:42 ] |
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From memory, the Mk1 Mondeo outsold the equivalent 3-series (E36, I guess - possibly the E30 depending on when the Mondeo was first released) but from the Mk2 onwards the 3-series has trounced it worldwide. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:42 ] |
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Petrol says no. We're going to get a diesel. Now that the Grimlet has grown up a bit we don't need a hulking great boot, either. It's really sad, this is going to be the first time I don't simply point at the bottom of the list of engines and say "that one" We'll probably get a Focus Diesel. |
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| Author: | myp [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:44 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Petrol says no. We're going to get a diesel. Now that the Grimlet has grown up a bit we don't need a hulking great boot, either. It's really sad, this is going to be the first time I don't simply point at the bottom of the list of engines and say "that one" We'll probably get a Focus Diesel. I'm looking at the 1.6 TDCi Fiesta Zetec S for when I have to get a car again. £20 road tax! |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:45 ] |
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Obviously road tax isn't an issue with leased cars, but the fuel consumption is. |
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| Author: | myp [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:46 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Obviously road tax isn't an issue with leased cars, but the fuel consumption is. I may go down the leasing route. What are the drawbacks? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:49 ] |
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Not many. You have to give the car back, so it's dead money. I always assume a car is dead money anyway, so that's okay. It's not yours, so you can't drop a new stereo in or wire your SatNav through the dash or anything like that. And in some cases it's more expensive than buying second-hand (YMMV, of course). Depending on the supplier, you may have a mileage limit. You probably won't be allowed to smoke in the car, if that bothers you. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:49 ] |
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myp wrote: I'm looking at the 1.6 TDCi Fiesta Zetec S for when I have to get a car again. £20 road tax! I'm not sure if that's the same engine that's in our 1.6 Diesel Titanium, but if it is, it's very efficient. Still averaging over 55mpg after 22k miles. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:51 ] |
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Grim... wrote: It's really sad, this is going to be the first time I don't simply point at the bottom of the list of engines and say "that one" Which is what I'll be doing. myp wrote: I may go down the leasing route. What are the drawbacks? It's not cheap, to my mind. It's great value if you were going to buy a brand new car anyway, but not really compared to buying one that's a year old or so. Other than that, what Grim... said. It's just not your car, so you can't do a lot to it. |
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| Author: | myp [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:51 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Not many. You have to give the car back, so it's dead money. I always assume a car is dead money anyway, so that's okay. It's not yours, so you can't drop a new stereo in or wire your SatNav through the dash or anything like that. And in some cases it's more expensive than buying second-hand (YMMV, of course). Yeah, I always assume cars are dead money as well (much like my house, lolzorz!). I don't give a shit about modding it, and I usually like to change mine every few years anyway. What are the most reputable leasing companies? I have precisely zero knowledge of this. |
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| Author: | zaphod79 [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:55 ] |
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myp wrote: What are the most reputable leasing companies? I have precisely zero knowledge of this. One of the guys here leases his and got it via one of the *worst* websites I have ever seen http://www.lingscars.com/ However the price worked out for him and he's had it about a year so far with no hassles |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:56 ] |
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zaphod79 wrote: myp wrote: What are the most reputable leasing companies? I have precisely zero knowledge of this. One of the guys here leases his and got it via one of the *worst* websites I have ever seen http://www.lingscars.com/ However the price worked out for him and he's had it about a year so far with no hassles ARG! MY EYES!! |
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| Author: | Cras [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:57 ] |
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zaphod79 wrote: One of the guys here leases his and got it via one of the *worst* websites I have ever seen Grim... leases his from some shady place that doesn't even have a website. |
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| Author: | Squirt [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 14:59 ] |
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Jesus, that's actually a real company? Cripes. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 15:00 ] |
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Craster wrote: zaphod79 wrote: One of the guys here leases his and got it via one of the *worst* websites I have ever seen Grim... leases his from some shady place that doesn't even have a website. And will continue to do so for a fair while. |
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| Author: | myp [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 15:01 ] |
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Craster wrote: zaphod79 wrote: One of the guys here leases his and got it via one of the *worst* websites I have ever seen Grim... leases his from some shady place that doesn't even have a website. What about you? |
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| Author: | Cras [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 15:01 ] |
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zaphod79 wrote: myp wrote: What are the most reputable leasing companies? I have precisely zero knowledge of this. One of the guys here leases his and got it via one of the *worst* websites I have ever seen http://www.lingscars.com/ However the price worked out for him and he's had it about a year so far with no hassles He's pretty expensive, from looking at a couple of examples. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 15:31 ] |
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He is a she, and she is bonkers. The website is designed that way on purpose... |
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