Dollhouse By Sir Joss of Whee-don

myp · **Posted:** Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:19

Stupid twats.

Rodafowa · **Posted:** Tue Jul 07, 2009 13:31

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Rodafowa wrote:

We're all watching Lie To Me now.

I'm not watching that. Should I be?

More lengthy review in due course, but the short answer is "if you like House, here's another one. Of it. But not as good."

Blucey · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1875

Rodafowa wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Rodafowa wrote:

We're all watching Lie To Me now.

I'm not watching that. Should I be?

More lengthy review in due course, but the short answer is "if you like House, here's another one. Of it. But not as good."

if you like the idea watching Tim Roth go 'hang on, his eyelid just twitched' (or similar) roughly ten times an episode over old episodes of CSI then you might want to check it out.

I thought it was bollocks, but oddly I thought Dollhouse was great. From the very start!

Didn't think they did too many 'single' episodes (even though the show's format really supports them). They referred to the main story in every episode and I thought it got better and better.

It was also the first time I didn't hate Eliza Dushku.

GovernmentYard · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5318

I gots predictions:

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1: Alpha isn't just a Doll that happened to go wrong, he's involved in the origins of the Dollhouse

2: Season 2 will be about uncovering more of the purpose of the Dollhouse and shadowy figures never seen

3: Caroline/Echo will turn out to be the original personality absorbing and managing the personalities imprinted on her. This will be the basis for a revolution in the Dollhouse. Helo from Galactica will convince the posh Boss bird and the fundementally decent ex copper to go moral and use newfound Echo-inspired techniques to have self-aware dolls, in on the deal and remembering everything. Some of whom will of course cause holy hell. The other Dollhouses will be at war with them, then.

4: There will be new dolls and they aren't about to ming, are they?

5: Summer Glau doll. A few million penises quickly worn down to stumps.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14498

GovernmentYard wrote:

I gots predictions:

And I got comments around some of these :

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1: Alpha isn't just a Doll that happened to go wrong, he's involved in the origins of the Dollhouse

In the backstory for him in the final ep of season 1 it did just seem to point to a criminal (however one with a knife fettish) , he did know a lot about the dollhouse and obviously has the skills to wireup a dentists chair but theres a question as to how much his background covers.

My thoughts are he wanted his Omega , and has access to all the machinery what would happen if he backed up himself and then imprinted that on other people - could he have his own 'army' of followers ?

2: Season 2 will be about uncovering more of the purpose of the Dollhouse and shadowy figures never seen

I think this one will be true , and i did wonder about the time they said that the boss was off to see the higher up people and it turned out she was just off enjoying herself with Victor

Going on from that i'm not sure what they are going to do with Victor , all of these other things they can do but they have never heard of plastic surgery ? , why havent any of the other dollhouses went that far - you can have that persons personality inside a body that has their feaures ?

3: Caroline/Echo will turn out to be the original personality absorbing and managing the personalities imprinted on her. This will be the basis for a revolution in the Dollhouse. Helo from Galactica will convince the posh Boss bird and the fundementally decent ex copper to go moral and use newfound Echo-inspired techniques to have self-aware dolls, in on the deal and remembering everything. Some of whom will of course cause holy hell. The other Dollhouses will be at war with them, then.

Dollhouse wars is something that would be interesting to see - i also want to know if the other dollhouses have named their dolls the same (echo .... meet echo) , and what happens to the current dollhouse if they run out of phonetic characters ?

4: There will be new dolls and they aren't about to ming, are they?

I'm sure there will be new dolls , some probably will , some probably wont.

5: Summer Glau doll. A few million penises quickly worn down to stumps.

From interviews they dont want her to be a doll , however who knows what will happen

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32621

Bluce_Ree wrote:

Didn't think they did too many 'single' episodes (even though the show's format really supports them). They referred to the main story in every episode and I thought it got better and better.

Same here. I think they built it at a very nice pace. It was bloody obvious from about 15 minutes in that there was going to be more going on than just Echo-goes-on-mission.

I have ep8 ready to watch, but I caught up on Torchwood instead last night.

Trousers · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3073

I'm finally getting around to catching up on this - watched 6 and 7 last night. It's certainly got enough going for it to warrant further episodes - nice to see Helo from BSG playing Helo from BSG only with an FBI badge.

Can I have an extra nerd point for pointing out to my wife the significance of "Rossum" corporation?

tossrStu · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1326

The unaired pilot ("S01E00") and the DVD/Blu-Ray-only episode ("S01E13") are now online...

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14498

Well i've just watched Ep13 - its interesting and i think could almost be used as a tie up story if the 2nd season had not been approved.

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I like the idea that its set after pandoras box has been open so its used as a weapon , and people dont know who is really who - nice touches to the whole thing including the choice of 'baddie' , reminds me of a terminator / blade runner type story where the baddie robots start off as robots and slowly change to be injured soldiers , and crying babies

Theres almost a story in there they could have of trying to find sanctuary (spin off?) - and another question to say if Whiskey is still around at the end that she is just waiting there for the next group to make it in and be helped to find the way out

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32621

I've seen it all now, including that 13th episode. It was ace. I am psyched for more.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

Ep13 is massive spoilerage for series 1 so it would have been a bit odd as the pilot. However it also seems to make the rest of the series pointless. It was exciting though!

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

zaphod79 wrote:

Well i've just watched Ep13 - its interesting and i think could almost be used as a tie up story if the 2nd season had not been approved.

Spoilers below - dont click if you've not seen it yet.

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I like the idea that its set after pandoras box has been open so its used as a weapon , and people dont know who is really who - nice touches to the whole thing including the choice of 'baddie' , reminds me of a terminator / blade runner type story where the baddie robots start off as robots and slowly change to be injured soldiers , and crying babies

Theres almost a story in there they could have of trying to find sanctuary (spin off?) - and another question to say if Whiskey is still around at the end that she is just waiting there for the next group to make it in and be helped to find the way out

That's rather screamers isn't it? Rather than Terminator.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32621

Nirejhenge wrote:

Ep13 is massive spoilerage for series 1 so it would have been a bit odd as the pilot. However it also seems to make the rest of the series pointless. It was exciting though!

It was never the pilot. According to Wikipedia, Fox the TV station paid for 13 shows and they included the pilot in their budget; but when that pilot wasn't used, footage from it was inserted into the other episodes.

Then Fox the DVD bit said "where's the 13 episodes we want" and the other bit of Fox said "errr, well, we have 13, but loads of bits from the first one are in the other ones and that's a bit shit really". "But we've already sold 13 episodes internationally", said Fox the DVD bit. "Balls. Tell Whedon to shoot another episode, stat."

Quite why Whedon went so far off the wall with that add-on episdoe I have no idea, but it really was great viewing!

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:40

Canned.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38523

Grim... wrote:

Canned.

Ah, crap. Never mind

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14498

Grim... wrote:

Canned.

Cant say I'm suprised , it has its moments (the last episode shown S02E04 was great) but it seems like they have had too much filler in there.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:44

Quelle surprise.

Mr Dom · **Posted:** Thu Nov 12, 2009 22:54

Anything that is slightly above lowest-common-denominator will be axed.
Especially by Fox.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Just because Firefly deserved to be re-commissioned doesn't mean this did.

Mr Dom · **Posted:** Thu Nov 12, 2009 23:50

Why does dross like 24 & Lost get umpteen billion series tho?

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

Mr Dom wrote:

Why does dross like 24 & Lost get umpteen billion series tho?

Because they appeal to non-nerd demographics.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38523

look at it this way, he was told that they were stopping after 13 episodes, whilst he was still filming number 11. This is a good thing, allowing him to do a proper finale. I'd rather have 26 decent episodes and a proper conclusion than a slow, six or seven year decline.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:22

DavPaz wrote:

look at it this way, he was told that they were stopping after 13 episodes, whilst he was still filming number 11. This is a good thing, allowing him to do a proper finale. I'd rather have 26 decent episodes and a proper conclusion than a slow, six or seven year decline.

If you're talking about Firefly then I'm confused as to what you think the conclusion was.
"Well, here I am." isn't really a fitting ending.

If you are talking about Dollhouse I think you got your sums wrong.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38523

Grim... wrote:

If you are talking about Dollhouse I think you got your sums wrong.

How so?

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:28

He got told during the 24th episode. Oh wait, then you said 26.
GRIM... IS CONFUSED.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38523

The 11th of season 2. Hence the 24th over all. And they're letting him finish all 13.

Mr Dom · **Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 19:29

Defying Gravity has got the chop too apparently, and that's not completely arse

GovernmentYard · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5318

It is a bit arse, though.

End of an Era · **Joined:** 25th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 1041

I wish the US would drop the idea that every series has to be 24 episodes long. It's a lot to write, so its no wonder that there's always a lot of filler and its the filler that inevitably turns viewers off. Just imagine BSG as 4 series, 12 episodes (or less) long - it would have been ace, topped with win, with a side serving of ace; but no. We had to endure a shit load of fuck to get to the inevitably lame conclusion. And Dean fucking Stockwell.

Mr Dom · **Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 23:41

GovernmentYard wrote:

It is a bit arse, though.

It is a bit arse, but its still possibly the best nerdy scifi on freeview atm.
I really liked the 1st episode cos of the question I thought they were going to ask (but didn't - meh)
Would you sign up for a 6 year tour of the planets (including walking about on mars) if it was a one way trip?
I think I would

(yes, I know you can walk on Mars anytime you like as long as you pass it off as some wierd massage thing. the other Mars I mean)

myp · **Posted:** Mon Nov 16, 2009 14:53

End of an Era wrote:

I wish the US would drop the idea that every series has to be 24 episodes long. It's a lot to write, so its no wonder that there's always a lot of filler and its the filler that inevitably turns viewers off. Just imagine BSG as 4 series, 12 episodes (or less) long - it would have been ace, topped with win, with a side serving of ace; but no. We had to endure a shit load of fuck to get to the inevitably lame conclusion. And Dean fucking Stockwell.

This is part of the reason why The Shield was so good.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38523

They are heading that way slowly. The last series of Lost was only 15 (?) episodes long and so is the final season. They may be catching on.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10104

17.

The best thing they've finally realised is that the season split in fall is a massive cunt.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32621

BikNorton wrote:

17.

It was supposed to be three seasons of 16 each. The writer's strike truncated season 4 to 14, so seasons 5 and 6 were increased to 17 each.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10104

So what you're saying with more words is that I was right?

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32621

BikNorton wrote:

So what you're saying with more words is that I was right?

I am adding clarity and information where none was asked for. I did mention I have a PhD, right?

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10104

I don't know, I sort of fade out after a couple of sentences.

Not really. Sorry, this is probably coming over all offensive, isn't it? I was joking but even I can't see it at the moment.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32621

BikNorton wrote:

Sorry, this is probably coming over all offensive, isn't it?

Really? I thought it was pretty funny

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14498

In case you havent noticed the next 2 episodes of this were on in America last weekend and were very good.

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Victor as Topher was the highlight but both were good episodes in general

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38523

Thanks for the reminder.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

Agreed about the Topher thing but Summer Glau irritated a little. Having seen her act quite normal and ace in 'Alison from Palmdale' episode of T:TSCC it would be nice to have her not doing the kooky thing.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

The last four episodes (including the two mentioned above) have been absurdly good.

GovernmentYard · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5318

Agreed. Utterly brilliant telly. Looks like 2 seasons is our lot, Joss should be able to put it to bed nicely, with a 'Serentiy' to follow if his finale warrants it.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

I'm glad this season has been moving at quite a pace. I was worried at first that it might go back to season 1 style. Presumably we'll just about end up in the post apocalypse situation and stop there. Which would be a shame as post apocalypse world Dollhouse looked really interesting in epitaph. I think it probably could have used another season and that be it. But oh well at least we got an unlikely second one.

GovernmentYard · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5318

Well, just managed to d/l 9 and 10, watched 9....

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FUCK!

Got people coming now, so 10 to follow this evening. And by jimminy it can only be brilliant, can't it?

NervousPete · **Posted:** Mon Dec 21, 2009 13:06

End of an Era wrote:

We had to endure a shit load of fuck to get to the inevitably lame conclusion. And Dean fucking Stockwell.

Hold on. The fuck's wrong with Dean Stockwell, mate? He's awesome!

And I didn't mind series 4 at all and quite liked the ending. Not a patch on series 2 though.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38523

This is winding up very nicely. I look upon cancellation as a blessing as we're getting a proper ending

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49233

I've just watched my way through both series, and I've very much enjoyed it. I still can't decide whether Sierra is massively attractive or terrifyingly freakish though.

Also, the wife woke up in the car on the way home from the in-laws and said sleepily "did I fall asleep?", which freaked me the fuck out.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14498

Craster wrote:

"did I fall asleep?", which freaked me the fuck out.

And you didnt reply "For a little while" , if she'd been watching it you could have freaked her out as much as she got you.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49233

I was too busy freaking out. In the fast lane of the M25.

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