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Author:  Mr Russell [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 20:31 ]
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If you were only able to watch one event at the olympics what would it be?

I think this question is born of waiting for something exciting to come on the telly, and hoping that something quick like a 100m sprint or high jump event will be more exciting than seeing what appears (to me) to be the same gymnastics routine over and over again.

Or to look at it another way, if you were trying to get someone into the olympics and were allowed to show them one event, which would it be?
Author:  WTB [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 20:38 ]
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I think that totally misses the point! The beauty of the Olympics is watching a variety of sports - many of which you haven't seen before. It can make you a fan of something you wouldn't have ever previously considered. For example the archery is probably my highlight of the day so far, and the handball looks entertaining. Badminton was incredible to see how quickly the players have to react, and then you've got the stuff that is just always good like swimming.

It's all good! Just stick it on in the background and you'll eventually find yourself soaking it in.

In short, stupid question. :D
Author:  Mr Russell [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 20:41 ]
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You can't say "I don't want to think that way so I'll answer a different question and call the original question stupid."
Author:  myp [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 20:42 ]
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I agree with the Bulge.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 20:56 ]
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The Last Salmon Man wrote:
I agree with the Bulge.

Shut up, Jonarob.
Author:  WTB [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 21:00 ]
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Mr Russell wrote:
You can't say "I don't want to think that way so I'll answer a different question and call the original question stupid."


Heh! I wasn't having a go! I simply can't answer your question!

I'm sure someone who feels similarly as yourself (but has enjoyed an Olympic Games before) will come along and give you the sort of answer you're after, but I was just trying to say that I think that's the wrong approach. It's all about variety.
Author:  Plissken [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 0:42 ]
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Table tennis. It is so utterly awesome to watch live.
Author:  Grim... [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 0:54 ]
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Can I choose the opening ceremony?
Author:  Mr Russell [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:31 ]
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If Kingdom Brunel grinning in satisfaction was in every event I'd watch every second.
Author:  Mimi [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:36 ]
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The Olympics schedule on the BBC shows which slots are the finals of each event. If you want to get all of the excitement without repetition, it might be best to just watch the finals. The athletics finals are always brilliant, and events like diving (I especially marvel at the synchronised diving) are acebest.
Author:  Mimi [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:37 ]
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The gymnastics is ace, though. Fool.
Author:  Malc [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:44 ]
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The gymnastics are impressive, and the individuals are obviously very strong and talented, but I don't like the thought of any competition being decided by opinion.

There's the X-Factor for that.

Someone (imo) needs to prove that they are fastest, strongest, best at something by an objective measure.

Which makes it hard for me to watch gymnastics, dressage, diving, synchronised swimming etc.

Malc
Author:  Wullie [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:01 ]
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Gymnastics isnae really judged by opinion though. The judging criteria is pretty fucking stringent and based on difficulty & form.

Presumably the other stuff will be similar otherwise they couldnae call it a sport.


Also, wtf is dressage?
Author:  krazywookie [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:05 ]
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Wullie wrote:
Also, wtf is dressage?

Prancy horse walking. I think.
Author:  Wullie [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:08 ]
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krazywookie wrote:
Wullie wrote:
Also, wtf is dressage?
Prancy horse walking. I think.
8) Do they turn the shit horses into dug food & glue?
Author:  Malc [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:14 ]
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Wullie wrote:
Gymnastics isnae really judged by opinion though. The judging criteria is pretty fucking stringent and based on difficulty & form.

Presumably the other stuff will be similar otherwise they couldnae call it a sport.


Also, wtf is dressage?


Does every judge award the same mark though?

I assume there are several judges and they award an average, hence opinion!

Malc
Author:  Wullie [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:35 ]
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Malc wrote:
Does every judge award the same mark though?
Near enough. They wouldnae get to judge at this level if they weren't objective & strayed from the criteria. It's not fucking Eurovision ;)
Author:  Mimi [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:53 ]
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Malc wrote:
The gymnastics are impressive, and the individuals are obviously very strong and talented, but I don't like the thought of any competition being decided by opinion.

There's the X-Factor for that.

Someone (imo) needs to prove that they are fastest, strongest, best at something by an objective measure.

Which makes it hard for me to watch gymnastics, dressage, diving, synchronised swimming etc.

Malc


What about team sports or sports such as snooker where decisions often fall to a single referee or adjudicator? At least with something like gymnastics or diving the scores are worked out on an average score of judges (taking away the highest and lowest scores and giving an average of the rest) and the scores are awarded on very specific criteria. It's not anything like the XFactor, because it's not to do with what routines the judges like, but how well they stick to very specific criteria.

The scores are worked out by each move being given a very specific difficulty score. These are added up to provide mark. Gymnasts and trainers decide on what difficulty of routine to sim for. Then there is the mark awarded for how well each move is executed. Whether they take a step back, whether they complete each full rotation of the bar, whether they fall off the beam, etc.
Author:  Mimi [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:54 ]
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Wullie wrote:
Malc wrote:
Does every judge award the same mark though?
Near enough. They wouldnae get to judge at this level if they weren't objective & strayed from the criteria. It's not fucking Eurovision ;)

yes, and the top and bottom marks aren't counted towards the total either. Marking is pretty tight.
Author:  Curiosity [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:24 ]
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Mimi wrote:
Wullie wrote:
Malc wrote:
Does every judge award the same mark though?
Near enough. They wouldnae get to judge at this level if they weren't objective & strayed from the criteria. It's not fucking Eurovision ;)

yes, and the top and bottom marks aren't counted towards the total either. Marking is pretty tight.


But there is always controversy, as most countries have persecution complexes and are convinced everyone is out to get them (cf The British Media).
Author:  flam [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:39 ]
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Track and field, esp women's track and field.
Author:  Mimi [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 13:18 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Mimi wrote:
Wullie wrote:
Malc wrote:
Does every judge award the same mark though?
Near enough. They wouldnae get to judge at this level if they weren't objective & strayed from the criteria. It's not fucking Eurovision ;)

yes, and the top and bottom marks aren't counted towards the total either. Marking is pretty tight.


But there is always controversy, as most countries have persecution complexes and are convinced everyone is out to get them (cf The British Media).


Absolutely. I'm not by any means saying it's perfect. I just wondered if opinion, as Malc puts it, makes sports like Gymnstics unwatchable to him, it means that sports ruled by a referee also don't work for him, as I think it's possible that the average judgement of a number of people is better than the judgement of one.
Author:  Mimi [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 13:18 ]
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Sorry. Than sentence is awful, but lunch is ready. :)
Author:  Plissken [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 14:32 ]
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The dropping of top and bottom scores evens out any bias, not only because it makes it difficult to influence the overall score, but also because anyone trying to do so is easily spottable and can be removed.
Author:  Curiosity [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 17:29 ]
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That said, the scoring in the boxing is a complete joke.

Watched one today that was completely one-sided. At the end, the obviously beaten competitor, who had been hammered in the final round, just looked glum and was packing his bags, while the other chap rightfully celebrated.

Mental judges called it a draw and gave it to the beaten guy on some count back. The commentators were furious, as was the crowd. Absolute travesty.
Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 17:40 ]
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Plissken wrote:
The dropping of top and bottom scores evens out any bias, not only because it makes it difficult to influence the overall score, but also because anyone trying to do so is easily spottable and can be removed.

Well, it worked perfectly to make LIBOR reliable.
Author:  Malc [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 19:03 ]
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Mimi wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Mimi wrote:
Wullie wrote:
Malc wrote:
Does every judge award the same mark though?
Near enough. They wouldnae get to judge at this level if they weren't objective & strayed from the criteria. It's not fucking Eurovision ;)

yes, and the top and bottom marks aren't counted towards the total either. Marking is pretty tight.


But there is always controversy, as most countries have persecution complexes and are convinced everyone is out to get them (cf The British Media).


Absolutely. I'm not by any means saying it's perfect. I just wondered if opinion, as Malc puts it, makes sports like Gymnstics unwatchable to him, it means that sports ruled by a referee also don't work for him, as I think it's possible that the average judgement of a number of people is better than the judgement of one.


I think that is different, they don't directly decide who wins, sure their decisions can influence the game, and that can annoy me, but the result at the end is determined by the winning team.

Anything that can aid the referee in making the right decision should be done IMO.

Goal line tech etc.

Malc
Author:  Wullie [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 19:20 ]
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Fitba referees appear to work to the vaguest criteria ever.
Author:  Ange [ Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:16 ]
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Womens beach volleyball.

Yesterday was a post Sunday roast sexy guilt trip.
Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:31 ]
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:hat: :shrug: :hat: :shrug: :hat: :shrug:
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