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| Author: | LewieP [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 21:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Microsoft Surface: Windows 8 Tablet. |
Microsoft are holding a press event in an hour or so, with a "major announcement". There's been speculation that they're announcing a tablet/range of tablets. And there's maybe going to be something Xboxey about them. Liveblog here, dunno if it's being livestreamed. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
I will be interested. |
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| Author: | myp [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
I'd be more interested if they announced a direct competitor to the PS Vita. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Live blog starts 11:30pm London time apparently. |
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| Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Mr Russell wrote: Live blog starts 11:30pm London time apparently. Which seems a bit ridiculous for a Big Announcement. Apple hit the sweetspot for both the US and Europe with their 6pm UK starts. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
I don't give a fuck. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Yet. |
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| Author: | Dimrill [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
I hope it plays Zune! |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Dimrill wrote: I hope it plays Zune! Surely you mean Microsoft Music... This week. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Odd to be coming a week after E3. Particularly considering they announced an Xboxey tablet thing at E3. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
It's more "Windows RT tablet" than "Xbox tablet", accordingly to the more frequent rumours, which would explain the E3 thing. But overall it doesn't seem to make a lick of sense. |
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| Author: | LewieP [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: It's more "Windows RT tablet" than "Xbox tablet", accordingly to the more frequent rumours, which would explain the E3 thing. But overall it doesn't seem to make a lick of sense. Yeah, that makes sense to me, but we do know quite a lot about Windows RT already. If it is going to be Xbox related, I can't imagine it being something connected specifically to Xbox 360 hardware, more the wider set of services and infrastructure related to the Xbox brand, or some connectivity between new tablets and Xbox consoles that would work with a new Xbox console too. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
LewieP wrote: Yeah, that makes sense to me, but we do know quite a lot about Windows RT already.. If you mean "so that's not big enough to be news", the rumours are of a Microsoft-branded hardware tablet, which would be huge news. |
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| Author: | WTB [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 22:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
NEW XBOX!!! Is there a stream then? |
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| Author: | LewieP [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 23:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: LewieP wrote: Yeah, that makes sense to me, but we do know quite a lot about Windows RT already.. If you mean "so that's not big enough to be news", the rumours are of a Microsoft-branded hardware tablet, which would be huge news. Agreed, if MS are manufacturing their own tablet, that would big news. I guess I meant if it's just "Here's a look at some Windows 8 tablets from the usual suspects", that would be potentially interesting, just not much of an announcement. We'll see, I guess. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 23:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: LewieP wrote: Yeah, that makes sense to me, but we do know quite a lot about Windows RT already.. If you mean "so that's not big enough to be news", the rumours are of a Microsoft-branded hardware tablet, which would be huge news. Oh, right. Well that's a different story. A quite dull story 
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| Author: | LewieP [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 0:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
It's starting. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 0:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
LewieP wrote: Liveblog here, dunno if it's being livestreamed. Whatever it is, it won't beat this: http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/17/30929 ... onstration |
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| Author: | LewieP [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 0:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
it's a tablet made by Microsoft. The "Microsoft Surface". |
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| Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 0:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
This cover keyboard is interesting. |
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| Author: | LewieP [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 0:48 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
I'm fairly impressed so far. Price is going to be important. |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Looks like a big Windows Phone - it'll never catch on. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Are they just chasing the iPad? |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Mr Russell wrote: Are they just chasing the iPad? Isn't everyone? Just like they chased the iPhone, with varying amounts of success. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
The Last Salmon Man wrote: Mr Russell wrote: Are they just chasing the iPad? Isn't everyone? Just like they chased the iPhone, with varying amounts of success. Stop protecting your awful decision to buy a Windows phone. |
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| Author: | markg [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
In terms of it being a workplace tool, for where I am at least, it seems like a good idea but a bit late. iPads are all over now (even though they are kind of ill-suited in many ways) and crucially there are hundreds of job-specific apps available for iOS. Our exec directors and some of our doctors are increasingly welded to the things and really a Microsoft tablet which plays better with the rest of the work stuff and has a built in keyboard would be loads better but, yeah, just seems about a year or so too late really. I'm sure that we'll be getting some to have a look at, though. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
markg wrote: In terms of it being a workplace tool, for where I am at least, it seems like a good idea but a bit late. iPads are all over now (even though they are kind of ill-suited in many ways) and crucially there are hundreds of job-specific apps available for iOS. Our exec directors and some of our doctors are increasingly welded to the things and really a Microsoft tablet which plays better with the rest of the work stuff and has a built in keyboard would be loads better but, yeah, just seems about a year or so too late really. I'm sure that we'll be getting some to have a look at, though. Imagine all iOS games with their gamecenter achievements, but instead they're worth GamerScore. Now you're tempted. |
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| Author: | markg [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Well, given that I genuinely don't care about gamerscore (except for a teensy tingle of excitement as I passed 10,000) and think that touchscreen gaming is mostly utter dogshit, not so much. |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Mr Russell wrote: markg wrote: In terms of it being a workplace tool, for where I am at least, it seems like a good idea but a bit late. iPads are all over now (even though they are kind of ill-suited in many ways) and crucially there are hundreds of job-specific apps available for iOS. Our exec directors and some of our doctors are increasingly welded to the things and really a Microsoft tablet which plays better with the rest of the work stuff and has a built in keyboard would be loads better but, yeah, just seems about a year or so too late really. I'm sure that we'll be getting some to have a look at, though. Imagine all iOS games with their gamecenter achievements, but instead they're worth GamerScore. Now you're tempted. Like a Windows Phone, you mean? I was mainly talking about Android, actually. WP7 hasn't been very successful at all. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
The Last Salmon Man wrote: Mr Russell wrote: markg wrote: In terms of it being a workplace tool, for where I am at least, it seems like a good idea but a bit late. iPads are all over now (even though they are kind of ill-suited in many ways) and crucially there are hundreds of job-specific apps available for iOS. Our exec directors and some of our doctors are increasingly welded to the things and really a Microsoft tablet which plays better with the rest of the work stuff and has a built in keyboard would be loads better but, yeah, just seems about a year or so too late really. I'm sure that we'll be getting some to have a look at, though. Imagine all iOS games with their gamecenter achievements, but instead they're worth GamerScore. Now you're tempted. Like a Windows Phone, you mean? I was mainly talking about Android, actually. WP7 hasn't been very successful at all. No, like an iPad version with gamerscore. Not a phone. |
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| Author: | LewieP [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
You'll be able to plug an Xbox controller into this to play games that are better with physical controls. Dunno if I would though. Edit: Or, indeed, use a wireless one. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
That's a pretty nice touch. |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:49 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Mr Russell wrote: No, like an iPad version with gamerscore. Not a phone. I'd be more excited about an Xbox Vita. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:49 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
I am quite impressed, there needs to be a decent tablet that is not IOS or Android.. If it can be locked down like Windows it will be useful. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
The confusion between Windows 8 and Windows RT is going to be bad for consumers. Two tablets there, that look almost the same (one 9.5 mm thick, one 13.5 mm; but the same industrial design and the same Metro desktop on boot). But one has x64 and runs old Windows software, and the other has ARM and doesn't. That's inherently confusing and inherently hard to communicate to people. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: The confusion between Windows 8 and Windows RT is going to be bad for consumers. Two tablets there, that look almost the same (one 9.5 mm thick, one 13.5 mm; but the same industrial design and the same Metro desktop on boot). But one has x64 and runs old Windows software, and the other has ARM and doesn't. That's inherently confusing and inherently hard to communicate to people. Can they both play Angry Birds? |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Which will the new one have? |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
KovacsC wrote: Which will the new one have? There's two new ones, that's what everyone's talking about dude. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
KovacsC wrote: Which will the new one have? See?! |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: See?! I'm not sure we can take Kovacs as being representative of, well, anything really. Except himself I suppose. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
So the other interesting angle is: is MS pissing on its chips with the OEMs, or what? I can't figure this out. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: KovacsC wrote: Which will the new one have? See?! I am not confused, I just have not ready anything yet, other than seeing a picture..... |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
I am not going to do a JC and jump to wild conclusions without reading up on it. Is there a link for it? |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: So the other interesting angle is: is MS pissing on its chips with the OEMs, or what? I can't figure this out. It might well be to an extent, but what are they going to do? Stop making computers? Build their own OS? Even if they are pissed off, realistically what can they do? Also, there's an argument that MS could use their clout and these first generation machine to essentially create a Windows tablet market that really doesn't exist right now, allowing the OEMs to then step up and start selling to that market with their own machines in future (which then allows MS to sell Windows licenses for people that might have bought an iPad previously). Similar to what Google sort-of do with their reference phones to herald new Android versions. Them doing a single hardware instance per 'generation' doesn't stop Samsung et al from selling shitloads of Android phones. |
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| Author: | Bamba [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
KovacsC wrote: Is there a link for it? Some info here, more in-depth stuff from the Engadget home page. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Bamba wrote: Also, there's an argument that MS could use their clout and these first generation machine to essentially create a Windows tablet market that really doesn't exist right now I tweeted something to this effect earlier. Like all new platforms, Windows RT is in a chicken/egg problem: no users mean no devs writing software for the platform which makes it hard to attract users. Perhaps, behind closed doors, the OEMs have expressed nervousness to Microsoft, and this is MS's way of priming the pump for the OEMs.
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| Author: | Bamba [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Microsoft Surface: Windows 8 Tablet. |
From a dev perspective, what kind of likely cost are we looking at to port something from Windows 8 to Windows RT? Is it likely to be generally 'recompile with tweaks' or is it a relatively massive effort? Or is there simply no way to know at this stage? I ask because Windows RT would get a good boost as a 'mobile OS' if porting stuff that's already working on the full version of Windows is a relatively easy affair. I've no idea whether that's a reasonable expectation though. |
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| Author: | Bobbyaro [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Microsoft Surface: Windows 8 Tablet. |
Do we have any idea of price for these yet? I hope the Windows 8 is really expensive. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Do we care about this Microsoft announcement thing at all? |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: The confusion between Windows 8 and Windows RT is going to be bad for consumers. Two tablets there, that look almost the same (one 9.5 mm thick, one 13.5 mm; but the same industrial design and the same Metro desktop on boot). But one has x64 and runs old Windows software, and the other has ARM and doesn't. That's inherently confusing and inherently hard to communicate to people. I have very strongly stressed this point to Microsoft. My dread is two executives, one with a Win8 tablet and one with a WinRT tablet, and having to explain to them why one can access XYZ and the other can't. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Microsoft Surface: Windows 8 Tablet. |
What is Windows RT? |
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