Just to be clear, EBG is talking`about Amy Winehouse...

Malc

Just to be clear, EBG is talking`about Amy Winehouse...

Malc

What a shameful world the music industry is.

I've slightly greater issues with the drugs industry.

A very necessary clarification. Wouldn't want you to get confused with all of the other people in the media popularly referred to as 'Wino'...

'Best of' compilation is no doubt already being hastily thrown together, and all the papers putting together their 'tributes' to the woman they harassed and mocked for years on end. I wonder who'll call Elton John first.

Woah, hang on, 27?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club

An, the Jade Goody effect. Build them up, knock them down, claim they were a hero all along.

I've got a 40 year old downstairs looks plenty younger than Winehouse.

A very necessary clarification. Wouldn't want you to get confused with all of the other people in the media popularly referred to as 'Wino'...

I confidently predict Rehab will reenter the charts next week

Such a waste of talent. I am very sad to hear this news, no matter what her issues were her music touched me.

Nice to see you all being so pleasant about it.

I'm deeply saddened by this, I've always been a big defender of her as I adore her voice, she really was the most phenominal singer. Winehouse sober and live sends chills down your spine - she really was one of the greats and I really find all the media gloating over her ups and downs to be sickning. Only in England do people take such pleasure in ripping apart people with tallent.

Only in England do people take such pleasure in ripping apart people with tallent.

If she'd been sober and not falling out of clubs at 4am (in one case holding hands with my ex-boss) she would have just been a great singer.

But she was addicted to drink and drugs. That's the story and why people, including myself, were critical. And nobody should be ashamed of ripping apart some little rich girl who has every opportunity to kick the habit. Yes it's still hard, yes you have different pressures, but you have every resource available that money can buy.

If you want to feel sorry for someone try some of the addicts I met down in Hastings who barely have a penny to their name and want to try and kick the habit so they can live a normal life. They are the people to feel sorry for. They are the people who I genuinely hope managed to kick heroin and other drugs for good.

Winehouse? No sympathy at all.

Ah so the fact that she managed to make some great music and therefore made a lot of money rankles you in some way. That makes a lot of sense.

The poor drug addicts of Hastings most probably feed their habit by committing crime and therefore causing others to suffer. The only people she affected were her family and her self.

You should be ashamed of that post, and if you can't understand why, you're brutally ignorant as well.

Easy to preach but it's hard to be an addict and be around users, especially when the drugs are free/you can easily afford them.

Please do not put words into my mouth to try and twist the argument. My argument is that she will have had more chances than most to turn things around. Chances many people won't get.



Again, please stop twisting things. I am talking about people who are actively seeking to give up drugs and turn their lives around. People who were at least part of the way down the hard path to doing this or had managed to give up. All of them thanks to voluntary work and charities. Oh and willpower. Winehouse with her millions didn't need to find a charity to help her.

Meh, you can't justify your post. I read it several times and my comprehension skills have always been rather good.

Personally, I couldn't care less about her music (not my cup of tea), but I don't like to see someone succumbing to an addiction - assuming it's a drink/drug thing that led to her death, obviously.

I appreciate your point Chinny but I don't see what the people of Norway have got to do with anything, that's an entirely different situation. Yes Amy did cause her own death (presumably) through her addiction to drink and drugs (presumably largely the drugs) but addictions can be hard to shift. Some people manage to find the strength to kick them, others don't.

The company Amy kept was never very good so maybe you could say that she brought it on herself in that way too. (That's not in any way an argument against you).

I still think it's sad and unfortunate she's dead and didn't overcome her addictions.

I don't see why I can't feel sorry for Amy and the addicts in Hastings. An addiction's an addiction never easy to deal with, rich or poor.

This is rambling, I'm sorry.

Hope her and the other interviewee made it through as it takes serious courage to appear on camera, let alone go through the recovery process.

Some artists are worth more dead than alive.

There is really no reason why the rehabilitation services available at The Priory are going to be any better than anywhere else, on an average day - good workers in the field are in it for the life-saving, not the money I can promise you that. Maybe a few guys at the top make more sorting out popstars but think about all those that we know go into the priory and aren't sorted afterwards - it's not a miracle cure for the affluent.

And again, I can't stress this enough - an addiction in and of itself can be cured, right enough. It's not even that costly a thing in the grand scheme of medicine... but the aftercare, the networks - they're what sustain recovery and a rich person is far less likely to be able to maintain access to those with their work commitments - the very idea of any of my clients going on tour a fortnight after coming out of detox is hilarious. I know of ONE such celeb who manages it - a world renowned, superstar famous actor who attends AA meetings in South Wales, when he's back in the country. Turns a few heads when he walks in, but he was so powerful he could dictate his schedule. Others can't and the tragedy is they don't often realise the option would be there if they knocked the career on the head for a year or two.

I've worked in promotions, PR and radio, and I've worked for longer in substance misuse and mental health charities, alongside frontline workers, consultant psychiatrists in recovery units... and I'd not say one group of clients has an easier time of it addiction wise than the other. The main difference is that I was on steadier money in the latter and I've never been mithered for drugs by one of my clients in the voluntary sector.

In my experience most 'recovering' addicts who appear on camera aren't recovering at all.

So now you accept that having money has no bearing on your ability to quit drugs. Well that's progress.

If you want to play a point scoring game I suggest you go to the 8 bit gaming thread. Thanks.