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Author: | Trooper [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 14:16 ] |
Post subject: | Apple WWDC 2011 |
Personally, i'm very interested in iCloud, but suspect it will be way too restrictive in its actually usage to be any good to start with. Hopefully it will finally mean the ability to sync my iPhone and iPad without needing to plug the bloody thing in all the time! Lion, i'll most likely update as soon as it is out, but not expecting many changes that will make a huge amount of difference. Need to see if the current problems with SMB are sorted in the final version though, apparently my Boxee Box won't play nice with the new version of SMB in Lion... iOS5, if the notifications get revamped as rumoured, that would be great Interested to see what happens with "widgets" too, and what shape they turn out to be. 6pm uk time I think? I'll be on the train at the time, but hopefully will be able to pick up a liveblog from somewhere... |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 14:18 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple WWDC 2011 |
6pm, yes. My (lively) predictions are at http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/06/tuaw-pre ... wwdc-2011/ (scroll down) |
Author: | markh [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 14:22 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple WWDC 2011 |
Eek, they had better not end the classic Ipod, or if they have to, replace it with something else with 100GB+ memory. |
Author: | WTB [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 14:39 ] |
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I want to see a super-cheap Macbook Air to stop me buying a Chromebook, please! |
Author: | Plissken [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 14:43 ] |
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markh wrote: Eek, they had better not end the classic Ipod, or if they have to, replace it with something else with 100GB+ memory. This is the only reason I haven't jumped to an iPod Touch yet. They bring out a 128Gb version, then I'm straight down to the Apple Store with fistfuls of cash. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 14:45 ] |
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WTB wrote: I want to see a super-cheap Macbook Air to stop me buying a Chromebook, please! That's not happening. |
Author: | gospvg [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 14:54 ] |
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Plissken wrote: markh wrote: Eek, they had better not end the classic Ipod, or if they have to, replace it with something else with 100GB+ memory. This is the only reason I haven't jumped to an iPod Touch yet. They bring out a 128Gb version, then I'm straight down to the Apple Store with fistfuls of cash. They need it with the size of some of the apps now. |
Author: | WTB [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 14:57 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: WTB wrote: I want to see a super-cheap Macbook Air to stop me buying a Chromebook, please! That's not happening. |
Author: | CraigGrannell [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 15:51 ] |
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My entirely accurate WWDC 2011 predictions. |
Author: | CraigGrannell [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 15:54 ] |
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Quote: I also expect discounted pricing through the App Store, but I'm not convinced it'll be quite as cheap as the Leopard-to-Snow-Leopard $30, which Apple presented as a special deal because not much had changed in the UI layer between 10.5 and 10.6. I'd agree with you there, expect for the pricing Apple's doing elsewhere in software on the Mac App Store is incredibly aggressive. Pre-Mac App Store, I'd have said there's no way Lion would be any less than Leopard. Now, it wouldn't shock me to see it at $50 or lower. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 15:56 ] |
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CraigGrannell wrote: I'd agree with you there, expect for the pricing Apple's doing elsewhere in software on the Mac App Store is incredibly aggressive. I don't disagree -- I'm still baffled about why, exactly, Aperture is so cheap. I just think that a) would Lion sell better at $29 than at (say) $69? I don't think so, really, particularly if b) Lion really does come with some sort of iCloud service bundled and finally c) does Apple still like money?
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Author: | Plissken [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 16:02 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: think that a) would Lion sell better at $29 than at (say) $69? I don't think so, really Apologies for the aggressive snip, but one of the things about Apple is that it is known for giving its OSes away free or pretty damned cheaply. Even Microsoft seems expensive at £100 in comparison (and I'm sure that is much lower than it used to be, when it was cheaper to buy a new PC with it preloaded). I mean, even the iOS versions are free (apart from the Touch, which is a nominal charge) and old skool phone providers would have forced a handset upgrade. I'd suggest Lion has something in it that hooks into iCloud and works on the razor blade principle, so it is better for them to practically give it away now to make money later. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 16:10 ] |
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Plissken wrote: Apologies for the aggressive snip, but one of the things about Apple is that it is known for giving its OSes away free or pretty damned cheaply. All previous OS X upgrades have been $129, except for upgrades from 10.5 to 10.6 which had a discounted rate of $29 because almost nothing changed in the UI layer between those versions.
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Author: | Plissken [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 16:18 ] |
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Really? Could have sworn I made a jump somewhere for $29. (Then again, it could have been a hooky copy of Leopard.) |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 16:20 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple WWDC 2011 |
Snow Leopard was $29, although technically only if you already had a licence for Leopard (but it didn't check). That's what you're thinking of, I'd imagine. |
Author: | kalmar [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 16:35 ] |
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I'm probably ready to buy into this cloud stuff, if it's going to do the job properly. The previous attempts (mobile me? whatever), weren't interesting. And I'll move to Lion as a matter of course, if it'll work OK on my now 5 year old iMac. |
Author: | Trooper [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 16:40 ] |
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As mentioned on another thread, if the cloud stuff replaces local storage for media files, it can fuck right off with the infrastructure in this country... |
Author: | myp [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 16:55 ] |
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What's the best plan for someone who's thinking about buying a 160GB iPod Classic in the next few months? Is there going to be a 250GB any time soon? What other options do I have? |
Author: | BikNorton [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 17:09 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple WWDC 2011 |
Trooper wrote: As mentioned on another thread, if the cloud stuff replaces local storage for media files, it can fuck right off with the infrastructure in this country... More to the point, it can fuck right off if it won't let me upload my ripped CDs, restricting me purely to my iTunes Store purchases, especially for $25/yr.Oh, one of the publishers required that restriction and Apple caved? Well then. |
Author: | Zardoz [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 17:24 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple WWDC 2011 |
myoptikakaka wrote: What's the best plan for someone who's thinking about buying a 160GB iPod Classic in the next few months? Is there going to be a 250GB any time soon? What other options do I have? A Rega RP1 turntable. |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 18:01 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple WWDC 2011 |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: 6pm, yes. My (lively) predictions are at http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/06/tuaw-pre ... wwdc-2011/ (scroll down) Are you the only TUAW writer who gets paid by the word? ;-) |
Author: | Anonymous X [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 18:46 ] |
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So, Lion's going to be App Store download only, out in July sometime and US$29 (so thirty quid over here, then). Could be worse. |
Author: | CraigGrannell [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 18:52 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: I'm still baffled about why, exactly, Aperture is so cheap. It's a lesson from the iOS App Store: companies often make more revenue by selling software cheaper. Anonymous X wrote: So, Lion's going to be App Store download only, out in July sometime and US$29 (so thirty quid over here, then). Could be worse. $29.99 on the MAS will be £17.99 on the UK store, unless Apple specifically tailors its price and alters it from the standard pricing matrix. |
Author: | CraigGrannell [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 19:02 ] |
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BikNorton wrote: Oh, one of the publishers required that restriction and Apple caved? Well then. Well, Apple's at least talking to the labels. Google and Amazon are on VERY shaky legal ground in the US, let alone elsewhere. No way they could release the same stuff here without significant changes to British copyright law (or labels agreeing—the same labels Goog and Amazon are screwing). |
Author: | Trooper [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 19:38 ] |
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Lion = meh iOS 5 = Looks good, if wireless sync is really in there properly. iCloud = Looks interesting |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 20:13 ] |
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My cut-out-and-keep bluffer's guide to today's announcements. http://actionatadistance.net/post/62560 ... 11-keynote ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view! |
Author: | Grim... [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 20:24 ] |
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No iOs widgets? |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 20:32 ] |
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Nope. |
Author: | Cras [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 20:43 ] |
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I know your mainstream audiences may not care, but was there any mention of the MDM APIs expanding in iOS5? |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 20:46 ] |
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No -- but this was very high-level anyway, so it wouldn't have been mentioned. |
Author: | Cras [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 20:53 ] |
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I was hoping it would be a big enough revamp to get headline space. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 20:59 ] |
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These were two huge announcements and one smaller one today. Apple claimed the 10 iOS features it showed were chosen from over 200; stuff we glimpsed but wasn't talked about include a new music player, which is pretty major. |
Author: | Trooper [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 22:25 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple WWDC 2011 |
The music match thing seems pretty monumental if it works, I'd pay the twenty quid just for it to sort out my crappily organised library, which I'm hoping will be a side effect... |
Author: | GazChap [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 22:27 ] |
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I wonder whether SMS tones will be customisable... |
Author: | Grim... [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 22:32 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple WWDC 2011 |
Is it me, or is Lion a bit of a step backwards? Apple seem to be falling into the MS trap of "one UI, everywhere". |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 22:46 ] |
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$30 = £21 apparently. I'm assuming that includes the normal tax discrepancy, so not too shabby. |
Author: | Trooper [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 22:48 ] |
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iTunes in the cloud beta is supposed to be up, people are saying just go to your "purchased" tab in the iTunes app. I don't have a purchased tab, on either my iPad or iPhone, what am I missing? The application purchased bit is working, just not the iTunes... |
Author: | CraigGrannell [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 22:50 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple WWDC 2011 |
Grim... wrote: Is it me, or is Lion a bit of a step backwards? Apple seem to be falling into the MS trap of "one UI, everywhere". I don't think it's quite that bad, but Apple is clearly pushing multitouch hard on the desktop. (I'll be amazed if during the next iMac refresh the trackpad becomes the default and the mouse is the BTO option.) However, my take-home from WWDC is that iOS is it—that's Apple's future. Mac OS X will become primarily a transitional operating system to get consumers hooked on where Apple really wants them: iThings. ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: $30 = £21 apparently. I'm assuming that includes the normal tax discrepancy, so not too shabby. I'm waiting on some colleagues to find out what's going on here. $29.99 is £17.99 in the MAS, so either Apple's pulling a fast-one that third-parties can't match, or we're about to see a rebalancing of international prices, with the UK being worse off after it's done. |
Author: | Trooper [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 22:56 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple WWDC 2011 |
Trooper wrote: iTunes in the cloud beta is supposed to be up, people are saying just go to your "purchased" tab in the iTunes app. I don't have a purchased tab, on either my iPad or iPhone, what am I missing? The application purchased bit is working, just not the iTunes... Ah, it seems were I in the US I would have a music option in the store settings to switch, outside the US it looks like the beta is just apps and books. Annoying as Kate lost some music tracks in an iPhone crash and reset, and would quite like them back... |
Author: | Trooper [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 23:00 ] |
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CraigGrannell wrote: Grim... wrote: Is it me, or is Lion a bit of a step backwards? Apple seem to be falling into the MS trap of "one UI, everywhere". I don't think it's quite that bad, but Apple is clearly pushing multitouch hard on the desktop. (I'll be amazed if during the next iMac refresh the trackpad becomes the default and the mouse is the BTO option.) Multitouch on a desktop certainly seems like a step backwards, for the less casual computer user at least. Mouse is always the go to device for me, and pretty much everyone I know who works in the software industry. 99% of devs at my place have MacBooks, 99% of them use a mouse rather than the trackpad. I'm tempted to buy a trackpad to go with my mouse on my desktop, if it works well, but never as a replacement. |
Author: | Anonymous X [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 23:25 ] |
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CraigGrannell wrote: However, my take-home from WWDC is that iOS is it—that's Apple's future. Mac OS X will become primarily a transitional operating system to get consumers hooked on where Apple really wants them: iThings. Whither the Mac. CraigGrannell wrote: ApplePieOfDestiny wrote: $30 = £21 apparently. I'm assuming that includes the normal tax discrepancy, so not too shabby. I'm waiting on some colleagues to find out what's going on here. $29.99 is £17.99 in the MAS, so either Apple's pulling a fast-one that third-parties can't match, or we're about to see a rebalancing of international prices, with the UK being worse off after it's done. Apple's UK specific pages now list the price as £20.99 (link), which isn't too bad I guess. |
Author: | CraigGrannell [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 0:03 ] |
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Trooper wrote: Mouse is always the go to device for me, and pretty much everyone I know who works in the software industry. 99% of devs at my place have MacBooks, 99% of them use a mouse rather than the trackpad. Thing is, Apple doesn't give a shit about guys in the software industry—it's only really interested in mass-market consumers for the 'default' position. Interestingly, my parents could never get on with mice, but my dad loves his MacBook Pro's trackpad, and my mum—after a couple of MacBook years—happily bought and now uses my Magic Trackpad. Anonymous X wrote: Apple's UK specific pages now list the price as £20.99 (link), which isn't too bad I guess. As a list price, it's not bad. As a conversion, it's also fine. But it points at Apple perhaps rebalancing its exchange rates soon, which would be a pity in the UK, where they're rather advantageous to us right now. |
Author: | zaphod79 [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:25 ] |
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Trooper wrote: iTunes in the cloud beta is supposed to be up, people are saying just go to your "purchased" tab in the iTunes app. I don't have a purchased tab, on either my iPad or iPhone, what am I missing? The application purchased bit is working, just not the iTunes... If i sign in to my itunes with a US account then there is a purchased line on the itunes page , however clicking it tells me i dont have the right version of Itunes - and it takes me to the itunes page where I can only download the same version i have (10.2.2.something whereas it seems the US has 10.3.something). Going to the app store on my device and selecting updates gives me a new option at the top called purchased which side swipes and shows me what i've bought on multiple devices - so I think it will be coming its just not entirely finished yet :-) |
Author: | Curiosity [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:59 ] |
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Any news on the next iPhone? I assume not, but any ideas when there might be some news on it? |
Author: | ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:22 ] |
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Curiosity wrote: Any news on the next iPhone? I assume not, but any ideas when there might be some news on it? 90% of what was announced yesterday happens in 'the Fall'. The betting man would take this as being the date that the 5 is released (they followed this timeline with iPhone 4, and at the iOS4 launch in spring, didn't trail the prospect of the front facing camera) |
Author: | markh [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:49 ] |
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Quote: What about music I’ve ripped instead of stuff i’ve bought from iTunes? iCloud doesn’t inherently do anything with music you rip; the iTunes in the Cloud feature only works for purchases through iTunes. However, there is a way around that. iTunes Match will, for $25 a year, scan your music collection full of ripped (or pirated!) tracks, and add the iTunes equivalent version to your online library. This will be a 256 kbit/sec AAC file, so if it’s an old mp3 you have then it’ll be significantly better audio quality too. Hmm. In my Itunes (Windows) i have a ton of songs that aren't available in Itunes nor i doubt will they ever be - but they're all nicely tagged and set up like i want them. Is there a cloud like service that will back this up for me? I'm getting a bit tired of copying across to a seperate HD. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:13 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Is it me, or is Lion a bit of a step backwards? Apple seem to be falling into the MS trap of "one UI, everywhere". I don't think so. This full screen and launcher stuff is an optional (and pretty thin) veneer. It's also quite appropriate on smaller screens, like the MacBook Airs that seem to be all the rage these days. CraigGrannell wrote: However, my take-home from WWDC is that iOS is it—that's Apple's future. Mac OS X will become primarily a transitional operating system to get consumers hooked on where Apple really wants them: iThings. Disagree. Photoshop jockies can't work without oodles of keyboard shortcuts and precise pointing implements. Coders can't work without root access to the device, native file systems, and oodles of windows. Any version of iOS that can serve these markets will be so far removed from the current iOS as to be nearly unrecognisable -- and will have given up many of the things that made iOS special in the first place. It's not impossible that iOS will replace Mac OS X in the end, but it's beyond the Computing Predictable Event Horizon, which I claim is a few years out. Beyond that, anything can happen anyway. CraigGrannell wrote: Thing is, Apple doesn't give a shit about guys in the software industry—it's only really interested in mass-market consumers for the 'default' position. Which is why the Mac Pro, 17" MacBook Pro, Aperture, Final Cut Pro, Xcode, and expensive SSD BTO options don't exist, right?
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Author: | Zardoz [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:16 ] |
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So my 2nd Gen iPod Touch won't take the iOS upgrade then. |
Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:17 ] |
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BTW, if anyone wants a quick summary, I wrote up my notes from the whole event here and a rather better organised things iPhone users should know post here. Zardoz wrote: So my 2nd Gen iPod Touch won't take the iOS upgrade then. Nope. Soz.
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Author: | Zardoz [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:20 ] |
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Well, I suppose I could do with a larger capacity one anyway (only an 8gig this one) and the camera and better screen would be nice. CURSE YOU APPLE! |
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