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The shot of the eagle took it from cringey to hilarious, but then there was a clip of him signing his name with what appeared to be a felt tip pen, with the sort of pen grip and motion of a reception age kid who is having extra class support and doing tracing and colouring exercises because they can’t hold a pen properly yet.

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The shot of the eagle took it from cringey to hilarious, but then there was a clip of him signing his name with what appeared to be a felt tip pen, with the sort of pen grip and motion of a reception age kid who is having extra class support and doing tracing and colouring exercises because they can’t hold a pen properly yet.


I noticed the non-functioning wrist as well.

And then there's the Comic Con Female Evil Mastermind, the power behind the presidency, with her flunky bodyguard.

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Omg. Is that Melania Trump? Is she wearing a ZOOT SUIT?!

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The extra large brim stops Trump kissing her.

Also musk did a nazi salute. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 83095.html


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Oof. I always think that those pictures taken at opportune moments mid-gesture are quite unfair, but yeah, that was quite… something. And then twice. That makes for very uncomfortable watching.

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Oof. I always think that those pictures taken at opportune moments mid-gesture are quite unfair, but yeah, that was quite… something. And then twice. That makes for very uncomfortable watching.


Oh yeah, it’s not a still chosen from an innocent video because it looks bad.

It’s exactly what it appears to be.


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No it's not. There's all sorts of things you can call Musk out for, you don't need to make stuff up.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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No it's not. There's all sorts of things you can call Musk out for, you don't need to make stuff up.


What was it if not a nazi salute? He’s doing it because he knows the reaction that it'll get and that there’s no consequences.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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It's a gesture he accidentally made because he's socially awkward. I mean, maybe I don't know. I'd be more interested in giving the fucking piece of shit the benefit of the doubt if he didn't seem to believe all sorts of dodgy shit and promote far right political parties across the world.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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No it's not. There's all sorts of things you can call Musk out for, you don't need to make stuff up.


I usually think those things are awkward moments caught in a still shot, but I’ve been thinking about this and don’t know what else it might be. Like… what gesture looks like that? And to do it twice? I don’t know. If I could figure what he was trying to do then maybe it wouldn’t appear so awful.

People all over social media keep saying it’s because he is socially awkward or has Asperger’s and/or autism. We all know a lot of people that fall into one of those groups, including people on this forum, but I’ve never seen anyone else do something that might accidentally be a Nazi salute.

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I'd be more interested in giving the fucking piece of shit the benefit of the doubt if he didn't seem to believe all sorts of dodgy shit and promote far right political parties across the world.


Yeah, that’s the crux of it. If it was Mary Berry that did it people would wonder what on earth that was meant to be, but coming from someone who has aligned themselves with the far right to the degree Musk has, it’s not so far out of character.

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People all over social media keep saying it’s because he is socially awkward or has Asperger’s and/or autism.


They are just lickspittle apologists.

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I think I only want to hear about that pathetic attention seeking ketamine fuelled twat if/when he boards one of his rockets to Mars.


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And it goes like that one the other day.


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No it's not. There's all sorts of things you can call Musk out for, you don't need to make stuff up.


I usually think those things are awkward moments caught in a still shot, but I’ve been thinking about this and don’t know what else it might be. Like… what gesture looks like that? And to do it twice? I don’t know. If I could figure what he was trying to do then maybe it wouldn’t appear so awful.

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If you were feeling generous to him, you could say that he was showing his heart going out to them like he said a few seconds later.

I tend to think he would have planned it "I'll do something that looks like a nazi salute, but say it's me sending my heart out and they will be talking about it for days!"

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No it's not. There's all sorts of things you can call Musk out for, you don't need to make stuff up.


I usually think those things are awkward moments caught in a still shot
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This is just proving the exact thing I said.

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If you were feeling generous to him, you could say that he was showing his heart going out to them like he said a few seconds later.


This is fair.

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I tend to think he would have planned it "I'll do something that looks like a nazi salute, but say it's me sending my heart out and they will be talking about it for days!"


As is this.

The far right were the first to remark on it as a celebration of his alignment with their groups. They were all over it. I’m not personally beyond believing it to be a planned gesture with a degree of plausible deniability added in.

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No it's not. There's all sorts of things you can call Musk out for, you don't need to make stuff up.


I usually think those things are awkward moments caught in a still shot
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This is just proving the exact thing I said.

You think Obama is doing a Nazi salute?

[edit] Ugh, that quoting is horrible

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I'm starting to wonder, have you even seen the video of Musk?


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I saw it live, and since.
It thought it was fairly obvious it was a "my heart to yours" gesture (albeit a cringe thing to say and do, he was clearly very... In the moment). Nazi salutes don't involve punching yourself in the chest first, as far as I'm aware (although I've since learned that Roman salutes do).

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No it's not. There's all sorts of things you can call Musk out for, you don't need to make stuff up.


I usually think those things are awkward moments caught in a still shot
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This is just proving the exact thing I said.

You think Obama is doing a Nazi salute?

[edit] Ugh, that quoting is horrible


I think that usually (as with the Obama picture) it’s an awkward moment caught in a still shot, but that seeing Musk do it on video, twice, makes it harder to explain as an awkward flash of a moment.

All of which I said in the beginning.

The thing is, I don’t necessarily think I’m ‘right’, and I’m not insisting that I am :shrug:

I think there are nuances in these things that we don’t necessarily know, so saying it was definitely purposeful or definitely not isn’t within what I said. I’m not trying to be the ‘most correct’ or win any argument, so claiming I said something I didn’t is a bit weird. I also think what Malc said is a possibility.

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I saw it live, and since.
It thought it was fairly obvious it was a "my heart to yours" gesture (albeit a cringe thing to say and do, he was clearly very... In the moment). Nazi salutes don't involve punching yourself in the chest first, as far as I'm aware (although I've since learned that Roman salutes do).


Maybe. Lots of far right leaning people claiming a ‘Roman salute’, but if it’s someone throwing their heart out at a crowd that’s a very weird hand position. Maybe he’s very bad at sport as well as socially awkward.

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I'd like to see a video of it to be sure Musk is doing a full on Paolo Di Canio nazi salute.

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I'm more inclined to think it's just him doing some sort of super awkward wave because he's so weird. And that's not me making excuses for him. I'd be pretty happy if he died today.

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Maybe he’s very bad at sport as well as socially awkward.

He's certainly bad at video games.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/ ... ng-in-dms/

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I'd like to see a video of it to be sure Musk is doing a full on Paolo Di Canio nazi salute.

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I'm more inclined to think it's just him doing some sort of super awkward wave because he's so weird. And that's not me making excuses for him. I'd be pretty happy if he died today.


The link I shared had the video. It’s not a gentle wave caught at the wrong time. It’s a very firm salute and grimace.


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Nazi salutes don't involve punching yourself in the chest first, as far as I'm aware (although I've since learned that Roman salutes do).

I've seen clips of Hitler performing the salute after "punching" himself in the chest first, although can't find one now, typically. //edit: Here's one, although it's not a 'punch' in either Hitler or Musk's case, just placing the hand on the chest it seems.

"Roman" salutes are also known as Fascist salutes, and have no historical basis as being anything to do with the Romans.

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In some versions, the arm is raised upward at an angle; in others, it is held out parallel to the ground. In contemporary times, the former is commonly considered a symbol of fascism. According to an apocryphal legend, the fascist gesture was based on a customary greeting which was allegedly used in ancient Rome. However, no Roman text describes such a gesture, and the Roman works of art that display salutational gestures bear little resemblance to the modern so-called "Roman" salute.

Originating from Jacques-Louis David's painting The Oath of the Horatii (1784), the gesture quickly developed a historically inaccurate association with Roman republican and imperial culture.

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Through d'Annunzio's influence, the gesture soon became part of the rising Italian Fascist movement's symbolic repertoire. In 1923, the salute was gradually adopted by the Italian Fascist regime. It was then adopted as the Nazi salute and made compulsory within the Nazi Party in 1926 and gained national prominence in the German state when the Nazis took power in 1933. It was also adopted by other fascist, far right, and ultranationalist movements.


Given that Musk was raised in a pro-apartheid family, has connections with the far-right and actual Nazis, and immediately went to great lengths to remove bans on known Nazi/neo-Nazi/other far-right accounts on Twitter when he bought it, I find it hard to look past this for what everyone else is claiming it is.

For an actual "my heart goes out to you" gesture, I would expect the palm to be facing upwards -- when you give things to people, you don't do it with your palms down.

I think he knew exactly what he was doing, and is deliberately courting controversy. The "why" is unclear, could be to bury other news relating to Trump and his inauguration, or just because he's a colossal dick and wanted yet more column inches dedicated to him.


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It’s pretty close to the Terran Empire salute from the Mirror Universe in Star Trek.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Terran_salute

As the article notes, it was intended to be like a Nazi salute.


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Maybe he’s very bad at sport as well as socially awkward.

He's certainly bad at video games.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/ ... ng-in-dms/


Not as bad as his fat rolling character from Elden Ring.


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Maybe he’s very bad at sport as well as socially awkward.

He's certainly bad at video games.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/ ... ng-in-dms/


Not as bad as his fat rolling character from Elden Ring.

It is fun to watch the speed runners use it, though.

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For an actual "my heart goes out to you" gesture, I would expect the palm to be facing upwards -- when you give things to people, you don't do it with your palms down.

I think it's the way he pauses for a moment after the second salute and adds "my heart goes out to you" to explain what he just did and I don't believe him. The first one is just so emphatic and his facial expression almost seems to say "fuck it". But nobody except Elon Musk can ever know either way for sure because he just lies all the time.


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Yeah just watched the video. If that isn't a nazi salute then I don't know what it is because it's too weird to be anything else.

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I didn't watch it but YouTube put a video in my recommendations titled something like "nazi or autistic?"

I don't find myself putting significant effort into not heiling around the office, so I'm going to rule out the latter.


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