Be Excellent To Each Other

Good to see you back, if only for a quick visit.

I've also signed that petition. As others have said, it won't change anything really, but it's nice to have a tiny input into something and feel perhaps 1% better about things.

I am on holiday but already forming an angry letter to my MP along the lines of: 'as a member of a minority larger than the vote for the Conservative government, please justify stripping me of my rights to trade, travel, and work in 27 other countries. Bonus points for doing so without hesitation, deviation, or repetition'.
I'm increasingly inclined to think that this situation demands a general election as the government's policy has been found wanting. Bah.

Utterly beyond belief

https://twitter.com/sgardner/status/747059883128692737

"There is no plan..."

Presenter and political editor left speechless at the post-Brexit chaos right now https://t.co/zgeQc4bQjv

— Steve Gardner (@sgardner) June 26, 2016

Some mild amusement...

https://www.facebook.com/Oliver.Healey. ... s/?fref=nf

This is the creator of the petition

"***CAN I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!!!***
Dear All
Re: EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum petition
This petition was created at a time (over a month ago) when it was looking unlikely that 'leave' were going to win, with the intention of making it harder for 'remain' to further shackle us to the EU. Due to the result, the petition has been hijacked by the remain campaign. Admittedly, my actions were premature however, my intentions were as stated above. THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE OF A LEAVE VICTORY AT THAT TIME!!! Having said that, if it had not been mine, it would have been orchestrated by someone on the remain campaign. However, since I am associated with the petition and before the press further associate me with it I felt the need to better clarify my position on the issue even if it looks bad. I am it's creator, nothing more! The logistical probability of getting a turnout to be a minimum of 75% and of that, 60% of the vote must be one or the other (leave or remain) is in my opinion next to impossible without a compulsory element to the voting system.
I have been opposed to the bureaucratic and undemocratic nature of the European Union as an institution privately for many years and for all of my political career. I have openly and actively lent my support to both Vote Leave and Grassroots Out campaigns - why would I do this if I wanted to remain in the EU? I am genuinely appalled by the behaviour of some of the remain campaign, how they are conducting themselves post-referendum not just with this petition but generally. The referendum was fairly funded; democratically endorsed, every vote was weighted equally and I believe this was a true reflection of the mood of the country. To my fellow leavers, now doubting their decision please keep the faith, we will be fine just stick with it. I believe what we need to do now for the good of the country; is get behind the will of the British people, unite, issue Article 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon and move forward, with the process of leaving the European Union.
William Oliver Healey
Creator of EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum petition"

What an utter cock (that bloke, not Trooper!)

That's kind of glorious

Note he's a parliamentary candidate for the English Democrats, who are basically BNP-lite.

See, you can delete those petitions, so he's either stupid or lying.

There's now a petition to allow Stuart pierce to retake his Italian 90 semi final penalty.

You can?

I believe so.

Is there nothing that prevents that once they get a certain number of signatories? I'd have thought there would be.

If he wrote it, I'd be very surprised if he couldn't get rid of it again.

Once people have signed it though, it's no longer really 'his'. It'd be like letting thread starters delete a whole thread on here.

I think they can, as long as it was their last post. Also Facebook posts, tweets, etc.

Obviously someone has to make one so we can try it out. Make it "We should be able to delete these petitions"

This is now quoted in an official Guardian article:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... icle-50-eu

#comment-77205935">http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... t-77205935

So who will dare to actually push the Article 50 button then?

Hopefully the answer is no one.....

Imagine calling a referendum on this as a gamble but then making no plans about what to do if it all goes wrong except running away. The most staggeringly reckless and incompetent act by any PM in living memory. Cameron should end up in prison. Not waltzing off with his fucking trust funds or whatever the fuck.

I don't know if that comment about Cameron's maneuvering is right or not but I loathe that there seems to be almost an admiration for him in what he's done. Like it's an episode of House of Cards and they're rooting for Frank Underwood because he just played a blinder. But this is people's lives not a fucking TV show. He's a fucking despicable cunt.

Guys, it's ok, it turns out Johnson did all the negotiations with the EU over the weekend. I mean, I assume that's why he states all this with absolute certainty. It couldn't possibly be because he's living in la-la land.

"British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... --and-alw/

Further down that piece

"Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. "

He actually thinks the EU is going to allow Brits freedom of movement without demanding reciprocity.

Another quote "the pound remains higher than it was in 2013 and 2014."

Uh-huh.

He's known for being a congenital liar. He's hardly going to stop now.

I've seen it being described as "trying to get the shit back in the horse."

I'm more than a little bit peeved to see a load of "Enough! Stop talking about it now! Get on with it!" type posts on Facebook. When did people become so meek and easy to subdue? This has been one of the most significant events in recent history and the British public wants to just... brush it under the carpet?

It's like my daughter when I ask her about something she's done wrong - "Let's not talk about that now."

People don't want to have the fact that they voted for a lie and for the wrong reasons pointed out to them, it's just human nature.

The posts that go on about "sore losers" are probably my favourite. Like people should stop pointing out the consequences because "sigh, alright you've made your point"

David Mitchell wrote a good piece about this kind of thing in yesterday's Guardian.

So....it's likely to be the same as it was, but with none of the advantages?

I've figured out who we can blame for this, someone all parties can happily get behind and lambast, Ed Milliband. If he hadn't screwed over David, labour wouldn't be in this mess, they may even have won the last GE. It is all Miliband s fault.

I don't reckon it'll be that good.

Basically, Johnson's position is that we can now negotiate a better deal with Europe than we've ever had. Because all our previous negotiators were idiots, presumably.

lol

I'm quite confident that he'll win them over with his bumbling affable way. The Germans love Mr Bean don't they? He just needs to work on that side of things a bit. They'll soon be laughing so much around the negotiating table that they'll just give him anything he asks for.

I think Thatcher is actually somewhat to blame.

Unsurprisingly I think Thatcher is actually somewhat to blame for most things really.

But I at least think she had a strong moral compass and did what she believed was right. Not something I think about Boris et al.

And her political maneuvering was successful, unlike Cameron's.

Or because we've never been able to seriously threaten to leave before?

I'm not sure if that'll make a blind bit of difference (or even make it worse), but I figure that's what he's talking about.

We can potentially negotiate something good, as the EU doesn't want us to leave, but if we do that, the Tory PM who does it is dead, and UKIP will grow massively in the subsequent election.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... emy-corbyn
Shadow foreign secretary – Emily Thornberry.
Shadow health secretary – Diane Abbott.
Shadow education secretary – Pat Glass.
Shadow transport secretary – Andy McDonald.
Shadow defence secretary – Clive Lewis.
Shadow chief secretary to the Treasury – Rebecca Long-Bailey.
Shadow international development secretary – Kate Osamor.
Shadow environment food and rural affairs secretary – Rachel Maskell.
Shadow voter engagement and youth affairs – Cat Smith.
Shadow Northern Ireland secretary Dave Anderson.

I like to think I'm clued up on British politics, but I only know about three of these names.

@faisalislam: "RBS share trading resumed now - 73% owned by taxpayer - market cap was £35bn on Thursday, now worth £25bn. Other bank share falls too."

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I've just stripped down my Facebook connections.

I've pared off anyone who has shared anything from Britain First, UKIP, or any other hilarious 'memes' about getting the country back, floods of immigrants, yaddayaddashutup. This was mostly work colleagues, but also my sister. I am finding the whole Brexit result all very difficult. More so than I should, really.

I'm the same Mimi, I feel as though my political heart has been ripped from my chest. I never thought I could be laid so low.

Remember when Labour were a threat to the economy?

Small silver lining: Foxtons shares are down by a third. Maybe they'll be destroyed by this.

As much as I honestly believe most things (ie economy, trade agreements, freedom of movement etc) will stabilise, I feel the same. My main concern was always that Brexit would legitimise hatred, and it's really heartbreaking to see

Had to tell a friend off for turning a Facebook post directed at my family in the USA into some political statement. Apparently, her justification was that Britain has more divisive politics than the USA does, which made my eyes roll so hard they ejected from my face and into the sun.

I'm taking no pleasure in it at all. As much as I disagree with you on many things I know you didn't want any of this. My anger is reserved purely for Cameron for allowing it and the Leave brigade for making it happen.

The Polish centre in Hammersmith -- which was built to commemorate the many Polish soldiers who fought and died in the British army in WW2 -- was defaced with racist graffiti over the weekend. Heartbreaking.

Fucking gutted mate. Gutted.
(and ashamed)

Agreed. Heartbreaking.

I hope we don't see more stuff like this.

I don't know what to say to all this except that I feel for you, and I hope your country will find it's way through this without too much damage done.

Don't think that this is just a British thing, either. There is clearly a tendency across the western world of pandering to the moronic part of the electorate. Politicians are playing with fire. We know where this sort of thing can go.

This post turned a little darker than intended, when all I really wanted to say is that you are not alone, for better or worse.