MaliA wrote:
And to fire it when the perceived risk of injury shoots up. As Jem said, it's the only logical explanation.
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| Author: | Jem [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bits and Bobs 47 |
Cras wrote: See, that I'm fine with. I'd rather the judgement call kicks in on pulling the trigger rather than pulling it out of the holster. You think it warrants having a taser pointed at someone just to ask their name? |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bits and Bobs 47 |
Jem wrote: Cras wrote: See, that I'm fine with. I'd rather the judgement call kicks in on pulling the trigger rather than pulling it out of the holster. You think it warrants having a taser pointed at someone just to ask their name? That does depend entirely on what they thought he was guilty of. Which at this point none of us know. |
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| Author: | Jem [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bits and Bobs 47 |
Mr Dave wrote: Jem wrote: Cras wrote: See, that I'm fine with. I'd rather the judgement call kicks in on pulling the trigger rather than pulling it out of the holster. You think it warrants having a taser pointed at someone just to ask their name? That does depend entirely on what they thought he was guilty of. Which at this point none of us know. But if they thought he was someone that posed a significant danger surely they'd request back up before approaching? (Genuine question - I don't know) |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bits and Bobs 47 |
Cras wrote: Jem wrote: MaliA wrote: Jem wrote: MaliA wrote: They did. There was a struggle. There was a Risk of further struggle and injury, so blokey was incapacitated. At all times during the "struggle" he keeps his arms on the gate or by his side, except to free his arm. I'm not seeing a violent man struggling to assault a police officer? And, probably, thinking there was a risk of a repeat and injuries occuring, taser time to prevent this. Whatever man. Like I said, she had the taser pointed at him from the beginning - from way before arrest was threatened, let alone instigated (if we're assuming that was done during the edit based on the handcuffs). She didn't pull out it because of the "struggle". She wasn't "in fear of her life" or "protecting her colleague" or whatever bullshit. She had it on him from the start. See, that I'm fine with. I'd rather the judgement call kicks in on pulling the trigger rather than pulling it out of the holster. And to fire it when the perceived risk of injury shoots up. As Jem said, it's the only logical explanation. |
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| Author: | Jem [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bits and Bobs 47 |
MaliA wrote: And to fire it when the perceived risk of injury shoots up. As Jem said, it's the only logical explanation.
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:18 ] |
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Jem wrote: MaliA wrote: And to fire it when the perceived risk of injury shoots up. As Jem said, it's the only logical explanation. viewtopic.php?style=26&p=938236#p938236 |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:21 ] |
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At this point, given the lack of ant=y context, I dare say that any conclusion as to whether warranted or not that you come to is basically revealing your own prejudice. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:24 ] |
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Jem wrote: Cras wrote: See, that I'm fine with. I'd rather the judgement call kicks in on pulling the trigger rather than pulling it out of the holster. You think it warrants having a taser pointed at someone just to ask their name? If it avoids escalation, yes. If the comfort level of holding a taser on someone in a potential conflict situation means that they're less likely to panic and end up pulling the trigger, yes. |
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| Author: | Jem [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:24 ] |
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Cras wrote: means that they're less likely to panic and end up pulling the trigger, yes. That worked well 
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:26 ] |
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GazChap wrote: That's not me justifying it either by the way, just trying to look at it from their side and playing devil's advocate  And by gosh, he's in desperate need of more advocates. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:27 ] |
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Jem wrote: Cras wrote: means that they're less likely to panic and end up pulling the trigger, yes. That worked well Well yes, quite 
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| Author: | GazChap [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:31 ] |
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Jem wrote: But if they thought he was someone that posed a significant danger surely they'd request back up before approaching? (Genuine question - I don't know) I suspect we can blame the Tories for that one for reducing police budgets so much they can't spare the resources 
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| Author: | GazChap [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:38 ] |
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Having the taser out (or a firearm for a firearms officer) would be pretty normal, you obviously have quicker reactions if shit hits the fan and you're already holding it than if you have to fumble about with the holster and draw it. Her having the taser out suggests that she thought it might be needed, which would indicate that whatever the man was suspected of doing was violent. Tasers are approved to be used for compliance if the suspect resists arrest, as they're (usually) non-lethal and, as the cop in my quote above says, generally actually better for the suspect than a dog bite or a baton smashing. Just for the avoidance of doubt, I still think the use of the taser was wrong - not procedurally, that was fine - but more in that it shouldn't have come to that. They could have approached that situation in so many more ways, many of which would have avoided that level of escalation. |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 18:39 ] |
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GazChap wrote: Jem wrote: But if they thought he was someone that posed a significant danger surely they'd request back up before approaching? (Genuine question - I don't know) I suspect we can blame the Tories for that one ...Yup, as ever, there's a certain inevitability about all of this, I have to say.
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 19:35 ] |
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Mr Russell wrote: DavPaz wrote: I just give them a little nudge in that case. To remind them who the road belongs to. Yeah, we pay our road tax and they don't! I pay the required amount of road tax for a vehicle emitting very low CO2 emissions Plus I pay tax for my car and motorbike and then leave them at home. |
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| Author: | myp [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 19:37 ] |
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Dr Zoidberg wrote: Mr Russell wrote: DavPaz wrote: I just give them a little nudge in that case. To remind them who the road belongs to. Yeah, we pay our road tax and they don't! I pay the required amount of road tax for a vehicle emitting very low CO2 emissions Plus I pay tax for my car and motorbike and then leave them at home. Ding ding ding. There's no such thing as road tax. |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 19:41 ] |
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Lonewolves wrote: Dr Zoidberg wrote: Mr Russell wrote: DavPaz wrote: I just give them a little nudge in that case. To remind them who the road belongs to. Yeah, we pay our road tax and they don't! I pay the required amount of road tax for a vehicle emitting very low CO2 emissions Plus I pay tax for my car and motorbike and then leave them at home. Ding ding ding. There's no such thing as road tax. The legislation may refer to it as VED, but everyone knows what it's referring to. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 19:42 ] |
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That's an interesting point about the police dogs. They're vicious fuckers, but everyone loves them. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 19:46 ] |
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Grim... wrote: That's an interesting point about the police dogs. They're vicious fuckers, but everyone loves them. If you are chased by one, never, ever, try to escape by crawling through a tunnel, running over a seesaw and jumping through a hoop. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 19:54 ] |
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MaliA wrote: Grim... wrote: That's an interesting point about the police dogs. They're vicious fuckers, but everyone loves them. If you are chased by one, never, ever, try to escape by crawling through a tunnel, running over a seesaw and jumping through a hoop. Take off your jacket, hold it tight out at waist level, let the dog bite it then get behind it and twist it's collar so it can't breathe. Failing that, let it bite your arm (I know) and put your other thumb into one of its eye sockets. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 19:54 ] |
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Grim... wrote: That's an interesting point about the police dogs. They're vicious fuckers, but everyone loves them. Everyone? |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 19:57 ] |
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Mr Dave wrote: Grim... wrote: That's an interesting point about the police dogs. They're vicious fuckers, but everyone loves them. Everyone? Well, a good deal of people. We need a vote. I'll sort one. |
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| Author: | Pundabaya [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 19:58 ] |
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Jem wrote: MaliA wrote: Then you'd likely be arrested until it was clear you weren't Murderous Mugging, just a good lookalike. As long as I'm not fucking tasered, that sounds dandy. Free ride in a police car? In! |
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| Author: | Cavey [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 20:07 ] |
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I love Police dogs. When I was 10, my bezzie mate's dad was a very taciturn copper. I don't know if it's the same now, but his Police dog, a massive Alsatian bitch called 'Lady' lived with them in the family home - equally taciturn and waiting for her master on her mat. Being an animal-loving kid I just bounded up to her as soon as I saw her and, despite her leaping to her feet and low-growling, I just stroked her head saying 'hello, Lady', before the (horrified) dad knew what was happening. I still remember that dog tensing up like a steel cable when I touched her, but bless her cotton socks - she must've known I was a defenceless pup as it were, she didn't hurt me. (Of course, it wasn't bravery on my part, merely childish stupidity - ignorance is bliss). Of course, though, from that moment on I was kind of "accepted" and, the next time I was round there, I was sure to feed her a square of my Yorkie chocolate bar (not knowing that chocolate can kill dogs  ) and from that moment on, the big, unfeasibly fierce Alsatian followed me round everywhere doe-eyed. What a beautiful animal; I was never allowed a dog of my own but she set the seeds for my rescuing Rottweiler after Rottweiler, drug dealers dogs that no-one else would touch with a barge pole - the lot (I couldn't live with the long hair of German Shepherds despite loving the breed, whereas the Rotty is much less smelly). Dogs are dogs and always good, in my experience. I even got an (unprecedented) cuddle from a wolf a couple of months back - wolves are good too.
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| Author: | Jem [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 20:26 ] |
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Grim... wrote: MaliA wrote: Grim... wrote: That's an interesting point about the police dogs. They're vicious fuckers, but everyone loves them. If you are chased by one, never, ever, try to escape by crawling through a tunnel, running over a seesaw and jumping through a hoop. Take off your jacket, hold it tight out at waist level, let the dog bite it then get behind it and twist it's collar so it can't breathe. Failing that, let it bite your arm (I know) and put your other thumb into one of its eye sockets. You sound like you're speaking from a position of experience. I don't know whether to be impressed, scared or turned on. Maybe all three?! |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 20:49 ] |
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Grim... wrote: MaliA wrote: Grim... wrote: That's an interesting point about the police dogs. They're vicious fuckers, but everyone loves them. If you are chased by one, never, ever, try to escape by crawling through a tunnel, running over a seesaw and jumping through a hoop. Take off your jacket, hold it tight out at waist level, let the dog bite it then get behind it and twist it's collar so it can't breathe. Failing that, let it bite your arm (I know) and put your other thumb into one of its eye sockets. Also: Ensure you have a sturdy wallet in between the dogs mouth and your testicles. Unless you don't mind them becoming a dog chew toy. |
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| Author: | zaphod79 [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 21:47 ] |
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http://www.polygon.com/features/2017/1/ ... aster-eggs Quote: The costs of developing Easter eggs
We look at the development trade-offs that come with adding hidden bonuses to games. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 22:29 ] |
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zaphod79 wrote: http://www.polygon.com/features/2017/1/19/14318984/the-costs-of-developing-easter-eggs Quote: The costs of developing Easter eggs We look at the development trade-offs that come with adding hidden bonuses to games. Programmers are easily distracted. I made a program for Mimi at work in about a day, then spent another four adding an achievements system. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 23:40 ] |
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Trump's parade - the stands right next to his big box are literally empty.... |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 23:42 ] |
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MrChris wrote: Trump's parade - the stands right next to his big box are literally empty.... I wonder how long it is until he starts trying to build huge (gold) statues of himself |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 23:47 ] |
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I imagine he's got a few spare in storage |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 23:56 ] |
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MrChris wrote: I imagine he's got a few spare in storage Nah, that's his wifes Dildo collection. It's ok. I know it's easy to get the two confused. |
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| Author: | myp [ Sat Jan 21, 2017 0:58 ] |
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Dr Zoidberg wrote: Lonewolves wrote: Dr Zoidberg wrote: Mr Russell wrote: DavPaz wrote: I just give them a little nudge in that case. To remind them who the road belongs to. Yeah, we pay our road tax and they don't! I pay the required amount of road tax for a vehicle emitting very low CO2 emissions Plus I pay tax for my car and motorbike and then leave them at home. Ding ding ding. There's no such thing as road tax. The legislation may refer to it as VED, but everyone knows what it's referring to. Just as long as you know you are paying for the car to use the road, not the upkeep of the road itself. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:19 ] |
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Cookie and Cream Kit Kats are delicious. I need to find if they do chunky versions. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:54 ] |
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They do indeed. |
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| Author: | Squirt [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:00 ] |
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Grim... wrote: MaliA wrote: Grim... wrote: That's an interesting point about the police dogs. They're vicious fuckers, but everyone loves them. If you are chased by one, never, ever, try to escape by crawling through a tunnel, running over a seesaw and jumping through a hoop. Take off your jacket, hold it tight out at waist level, let the dog bite it then get behind it and twist it's collar so it can't breathe. Failing that, let it bite your arm (I know) and put your other thumb into one of its eye sockets. I've heard that hurting a police dog is a sure-fire way to get yourself a bit of a kicking from the cops if they do arrest you. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:53 ] |
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Neither Mrs Grim... or I have a will. We grown-up really badly. |
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| Author: | Kern [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:54 ] |
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I'm assuming this isn't a direct follow-on from the previous comment. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:55 ] |
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Grim... wrote: Neither Mrs Grim... or I have a will. We grown-up really badly. It's not a massive massive issue unless you have a dick for a child, to be honest. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:59 ] |
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Kern wrote: Cookie and Cream Kit Kats are delicious. I need to find if they do chunky versions. They are! I took some to download and Grim... dissed them 
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 13:00 ] |
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MrChris wrote: Grim... wrote: Neither Mrs Grim... or I have a will. We grown-up really badly. It's not a massive massive issue unless you have a dick for a child, to be honest. Quite - spouse, one kid, no external dependents, it's pretty automatic. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 13:00 ] |
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MrChris wrote: Grim... wrote: Neither Mrs Grim... or I have a will. We grown-up really badly. It's not a massive massive issue unless you have a dick for a child, to be honest. I don't have one, but I should do it, otherwise Cras won't get all these deckchairs I've been buying from eBay specifically for this purpose. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 13:05 ] |
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Cras wrote: MrChris wrote: Grim... wrote: Neither Mrs Grim... or I have a will. We grown-up really badly. It's not a massive massive issue unless you have a dick for a child, to be honest. Quite - spouse, one kid, no external dependents, it's pretty automatic. Well, you've still got the hassle of probate court agreeing executor etc. However, the disposition of the assets is relatively straight forward - something like the first 250k to the spouse, then the balance split 50/50 between spouse and child. So your biggest problem is if your child is an arse who is potentially going to kick you out of your own house in order to get their share of the proceeds. |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 13:07 ] |
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I haven't got a will either. I need to write one as my wife hasn't got a clue which of my video games are worth anything. They'd be in the skip the day after my funeral if I don't make provisions for them. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 13:09 ] |
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Mine is there mostly to mandate the choons that get played at my funeral. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 13:12 ] |
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Cras wrote: Mine is there mostly to mandate the choons that get played at my funeral. Mate, seating is not going to be a problem. I got you. |
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| Author: | devilman [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 13:12 ] |
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TheVision wrote: I haven't got a will either. I need to write one as my wife hasn't got a clue which of my video games are worth anything. They'd be in the skip the day after my funeral if I don't make provisions for them. I've no will either. If I dropped dead today, my parents would probably ask my brother to sell off my stuff as they wouldn't have a clue either. I'll tell him to give you first refusal
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| Author: | Cras [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 13:12 ] |
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MaliA wrote: Cras wrote: Mine is there mostly to mandate the choons that get played at my funeral. Mate, seating is not going to be a problem. I got you.
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 13:12 ] |
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TheVision wrote: I haven't got a will either. I need to write one as my wife hasn't got a clue which of my video games are worth anything. They'd be in the skip the day after my funeral if I don't make provisions for them. You should share your spreadsheet with her. |
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| Author: | TheVision [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 13:14 ] |
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Cras wrote: Mine is there mostly to mandate the choons that get played at my funeral. I'm having Love Shack played at mine.. 3 times... One after the other. |
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