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Author:  LewieP [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 19:19 ]
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selling a gfx card?

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 19:23 ]
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Nah. Don't have any spares. If I did I would likely get a case/psu and some ram and build the bugger. Would take up far less space :(

Author:  LewieP [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 19:31 ]
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What have you got now, out of interest.

Author:  Dimrill [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 19:37 ]
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That's a really nice lighty uppy keyboard there, if anyone's interested. I have one and it's great.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 19:37 ]
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280GTX. I got it for £169+ a fiver shipping ages ago from VCS.

It was refurb but is the XXX edition (642mhz opposed to 602).

They still offer them new hnyarr. (brand new)


http://videocardshop.co.uk/product.asp? ... -280N-ZDF9


But it's so hard to recc them when they also have these also -


http://videocardshop.co.uk/product.asp? ... -489A-ZDFC

And these if you're pushed for cash -

http://videocardshop.co.uk/product.asp? ... -260N-ADF9

http://videocardshop.co.uk/product.asp? ... -487A-YDFC

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 19:38 ]
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Dimrill wrote:
That's a really nice lighty uppy keyboard there, if anyone's interested. I have one and it's great.


:)

It should have the remainder of the warranty with Scan on it too. (at least 8 months).

The HDD has a couple of months (IIRC) warranty with WD. It had a 5 year on being a retail drive.

Author:  andyb [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 20:50 ]
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so, I bought a load of bits over the weekend and built a PC.

It's got an i7 920 cpu (if that means anything to you)

I've overclocked it using settings I found on the interweb, which I'm sure will be fine (!)

Anyways, its now running at 4GHz, up from 2.6GHz, and after running the 3D mark vantage benchmark, the CPU got upto 75C after the last CPU intesive test. Is that a safe temperature, seeing as it probably as intense a test as the cpu will ever get?

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 21:30 ]
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That's pretty hot yes. Are you using a standard Intel cooler? I would replace it ASAP they're shockingly bad.

Author:  andyb [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 21:38 ]
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nah, I'm using a Corsair H20 thing which was on offer at scan. Quite a well made bit of kit concidering it never going to be seen.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 21:43 ]
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andyb wrote:
nah, I'm using a Corsair H20 thing which was on offer at scan. Quite a well made bit of kit concidering it never going to be seen.


That's what I use I think. Asetek rebranded..

You are aware that it's no better than a top end air cooling solution just quieter? You might get like, 1 or 2 more c's less but that would be it.

I know very little about I7s and I5s because I chose to go AMD this round. I do know however that 4ghz is pretty much the fastest you can get a 920 to go so those temps don't really suprise me :)

75 c max is perfectly fine, your room will just need the heating turned off :D

Ah. Taken from Techpowerup.

Quote:
The official specs of the processor state that the max temp is 100*c


Which as I say, doesn't suprise me because even the old Core quads can go to 85 or so.

Author:  andyb [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 21:47 ]
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cool (arf!), I'll stop worrying. As for heating, I live in a hovel with no central heating, so any extra heat is a good thing!

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 0:06 ]
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now got to chapter 2 of Dead Space... i do liek this game, even better as it is free,

Author:  myp [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:19 ]
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I'll give you fiddeen for the lot, JC.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:22 ]
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You probably would.

Any way, to add.

One Noctua 92uf worth about £40. It's a 92mm fan version of the 120mm fan one. Doesn't have the Noctua fan though.
One Foxconn Fox one worth about £7. It's a PCI centrifugal slot cooler.

I'll chuck, I mean safely pack those in the box with the rest.

Image

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:57 ]
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Teehee:
http://www.destructoid.com/the-ultimate ... 5752.phtml

Author:  metalangel [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:07 ]
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Dimrill wrote:
That's a really nice lighty uppy keyboard there, if anyone's interested. I have one and it's great.


Pfffff. It's no better than a normal keyboard and you can't prove it. But you must.

Author:  NervousPete [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:24 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:


All true, alas.

Still, :D

PC's are only superior in the form of sims and mods. I have also decided that while keyboards and mice are more accurate, joypads are, critically, more fun. Fun wins everytime, natch.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:25 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
i have never played Coh. Am i missing out?


Depends how much you like CoH.

It bears a fair few resemblences to DoW2, as it's by the same people, and CoH had a fair few things taken from it for DoW2.
I tend to prefer DoW2, as it's much smaller scale, but both are worth getting (for the correct price, obviously. Try the demo)


I don't think it's really much like Dawn Of War 2 at all - it's much more like Dawn of War 1, what with the base building and the strategic points and such.

Author:  myp [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:33 ]
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Quote:
As for the mouse part of the equation, pointing and click to score instant headshots is the most satisfying feeling in the world, because when you're shooting a gun, you definitely want to perform the same actions that you do when filing your tax returns.

:DD

Author:  NervousPete [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:03 ]
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myp wrote:
Quote:
As for the mouse part of the equation, pointing and click to score instant headshots is the most satisfying feeling in the world, because when you're shooting a gun, you definitely want to perform the same actions that you do when filing your tax returns.

:DD


Of course, happily and conversely, gamers will find that tax returns now have all the action fun of a PC shooter!

Author:  metalangel [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:18 ]
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Aion, the latest Korean grind-fest, has built in macro support (as opposed to you having to haxx0r this in) so as to enable you to largely automate your grind. At the push of a button, your winged avatar will kill the diseased boars, loot the corpse... simples! And so the MMO steps even closer to the entirely uninteractive watching-a-bar-fill action of Progress Quest.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:23 ]
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Star Wars Galaxies had that years ago.

It used to lead to 'hilarious' accidents where by your /follow would accidentally lock onto a fellow player instead of some beastie, and you'd follow them constantly for an hour trying to /skin them while you were off doing something more interesting.

Author:  NervousPete [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:25 ]
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Was it Jonathan Nash or Jonathan Davies who once theorised that games would one day play themselves, and offer you a mild electric shock if you attempted to interfere? That sounds like the grinding clods ultimate desire for MMO's. Grrrs.

Author:  RuySan [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 13:34 ]
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MetalAngel wrote:
Aion, the latest Korean grind-fest, has built in macro support (as opposed to you having to haxx0r this in) so as to enable you to largely automate your grind. At the push of a button, your winged avatar will kill the diseased boars, loot the corpse... simples! And so the MMO steps even closer to the entirely uninteractive watching-a-bar-fill action of Progress Quest.


its a good idea. At least saves us from the bore of playing the game.

Author:  RuySan [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 13:39 ]
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Been playing a bit of borderlands. It's good fun except for the absolutely ridiculous field of view. I tried to change it with online guides, but it never works :'(

Author:  metalangel [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 13:45 ]
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Craster wrote:
Star Wars Galaxies


Speaking of which, have you seen that zombie thing for it? (yes, I know, more zombies)

There's an excellent/disturbing picture of Han, Chewie and a twi'lek jedi standing on a pile of junk fighting off a swarm of zombie Storm Troopers. To remove the obvious thing that stops a Storm Trooper being scary, all the zombies have somehow removed/bitten through the air filter part of their mask so you can see their gnashing mouth (though surely the rest of the helmet around it would prevent anything actually getting into their mouth to be bitten). There's also a zombie officer and a zombie wookiee attacking.

Er.

RuySan wrote:
the absolutely ridiculous field of view. I tried to change it with online guides, but it never works :'(


It does feel a bit like Gayness Ex 2: Electric Boogaloo did. Like I'm constantly leaning forward or zoomed in.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 13:45 ]
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Really? I had no issues whatsoever with FOV on the 360 version - is it different?

Split-screen on 360 is better left unmentioned, of course.

Author:  Malabelm [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 13:47 ]
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Craster wrote:
Split-screen on 360 is better left unmentioned, of course.


RAGE.

You get used to it, but it is severely annoying, and the menu system is seriously lazy.

Author:  metalangel [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 13:49 ]
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Malabar Front wrote:
Craster wrote:
Split-screen on 360 is better left unmentioned, of course.


RAGE.

You get used to it, but it is severely annoying, and the menu system is seriously lazy.


"UNH! UNH! UNH! UNH! CHECK ME OUT?"
"Are you dancing?"
"Are you asking?"
"THEN I'M DANCING!"

Author:  myp [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:03 ]
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It can't be worse than what they implemented for Fable 2.

Author:  RuySan [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:04 ]
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Craster wrote:
Really? I had no issues whatsoever with FOV on the 360 version - is it different?



from what i learned in the internet, no. It's the same. It's just the pc players are more vocal about it.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:13 ]
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Oh. I can't say it seemed any less usable than any other first person game I've ever played.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:26 ]
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RuySan wrote:
Been playing a bit of borderlands. It's good fun except for the absolutely ridiculous field of view. I tried to change it with online guides, but it never works :'(


I don't like it at all tbh.

I was being pessimistic because I had read opinions of it before release but the gist to me goes like this.

Go to someone. Go off and play space invaders style shoot em up with waves of enemies. Poor aiming system, can shoot people in the head numerous times and they fail to die.

Repeat ad nauseum. It has no soul really, just predictable and boring.

I quote my magazine -

Quote:
It's probably a good thing that they changed the graphics to make it look the way it does. We think this could be the only thing that saves this game from obscurity.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:28 ]
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Counterquote!

Quote:
Best bit of original IP this year


It's an RPG, not an FPS. In Fallout 3 you can shoot people repeatedly in the head and they fail to die.

Author:  Dimrill [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:29 ]
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Quote from my magazine:

Quote:
Dimrill's so fucking awesome and sexy. I want to have his babies, but I am just several pieces of paper crudely scrawled on in crayon and am thus unable to bear fruit.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:34 ]
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Craster wrote:
It's an RPG, not an FPS. In Fallout 3 you can shoot people repeatedly in the head and they fail to die.


Once you level up and have good perks it's usually a forgone. However, these aren't humans we're talking about in FO3, they're mutants and stuff. One decent pop to a Raiders head and it's usually lights out.

If it is an RPG then it needs to be an RPG with some kind of combat system put into place. Like VATS, or something like the turn based systems used in Paper Mario and FF.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:35 ]
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Dimrill wrote:
Quote from my magazine:

Quote:
Dimrill's so fucking awesome and sexy. I want to have his babies, but I am just several pieces of paper crudely scrawled on in crayon and am thus unable to bear fruit.


What have I told you about sending my love letters into porn mags?

Author:  Dimrill [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:36 ]
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You're forgetting it's built largely around mulitplayer Co-op, thus VATS would be impossible. If you haven't played it multiplayer you're missing the main point.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:38 ]
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Craster wrote:
Oh. I can't say it seemed any less usable than any other first person game I've ever played.
A lot of PC gamers seem to get upset about widescreen displays having a horizontally expanded FOV, compared to 4:3 screens. This gives a "zoomed in" feeling, apparently, although I studied the screenshots of Bioshock and couldn't fathom what they were complaining about.

Author:  RuySan [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:40 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote:
RuySan wrote:
Been playing a bit of borderlands. It's good fun except for the absolutely ridiculous field of view. I tried to change it with online guides, but it never works :'(


I don't like it at all tbh.

I was being pessimistic because I had read opinions of it before release but the gist to me goes like this.

Go to someone. Go off and play space invaders style shoot em up with waves of enemies. Poor aiming system, can shoot people in the head numerous times and they fail to die.

Repeat ad nauseum. It has no soul really, just predictable and boring.


for me this game shows how rogue-likes should be done. Instead of having a gameplay consisting on mindless clicking on enemies, we have some fun fps where player skill matters. And it's fun to hunt for new weapons since they all feel different and look different, so it's just not a matter of looking for a weapons that plays exactly like the one you have but has +1 to damage.

Too bad about the FOV though

Author:  Cras [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:50 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote:
If it is an RPG then it needs to be an RPG with some kind of combat system put into place. Like VATS, or something like the turn based systems used in Paper Mario and FF.


Why does it need to be? There's plenty of examples of this style of play. Basically any realtime RPG. VATS is fine, but would you completely dismiss the F3 combat without it? Also, I don't see why pausing the game a-la VATS changes anything - there's still a mathematical hit and damage calculation being performed, based on the weapon you're using and your skills. Which is exactly the same as how Borderlands does it.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:52 ]
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RuySan wrote:
Too bad about the FOV though


I guess 90% of everything I've played on the PC has been 3rd person isometric, and most of my FPS experience has been on consoles, so I never really notice.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:53 ]
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Craster wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
If it is an RPG then it needs to be an RPG with some kind of combat system put into place. Like VATS, or something like the turn based systems used in Paper Mario and FF.


Why does it need to be? There's plenty of examples of this style of play. Basically any realtime RPG. VATS is fine, but would you completely dismiss the F3 combat without it? Also, I don't see why pausing the game a-la VATS changes anything - there's still a mathematical hit and damage calculation being performed, based on the weapon you're using and your skills. Which is exactly the same as how Borderlands does it.


Because RPGs do not have the aiming systems that FPS do. If you're going to do an RPG with an FPS aiming system it needs to be good. Sadly Borderlands aiming system is cack. My opinion of course, but compared to something like MW2 or HL2 or any other decent FPS it's poo.

How many people complained about the aiming system in Fallout 3? because I remember a good few, one in particular saying he wanted to redo the game without VATS but gave up shortly afterwards.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:54 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Craster wrote:
Oh. I can't say it seemed any less usable than any other first person game I've ever played.
A lot of PC gamers seem to get upset about widescreen displays having a horizontally expanded FOV, compared to 4:3 screens. This gives a "zoomed in" feeling, apparently, although I studied the screenshots of Bioshock and couldn't fathom what they were complaining about.


Knowing you you probably set the res to your desired res *and* set the settings for the res too? for example, most of the games I have installed recently not only have resolotion settings (IE- 1680x1050 which is what I use) but also 4:3, 16:9 and 16:10.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:56 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote:
Because RPGs do not have the aiming systems that FPS do. If you're going to do an RPG with an FPS aiming system it needs to be good.


I don't even think I know what this means. Every realtime RPG pretty much has the same aiming system. If you're pointing at the target, you have a chance to hit. You then apply modifiers to that based on character skills and weapon characteristics.

It's like any FPS, but taking skills into account. Hence the RPG bit.

JohnCoffey wrote:
one in particular saying he wanted to redo the game without VATS but gave up shortly afterwards.


I don't understand. Surely you just don't press the VATS button? I must have only used VATS for 50% of the game, max.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:56 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote:
Knowing you you probably set the res to your desired res *and* set the settings for the res too? for example, most of the games I have installed recently not only have resolotion settings (IE- 1680x1050 which is what I use) but also 4:3, 16:9 and 16:10.
No, I game on the 360.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:59 ]
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Craster wrote:
I don't even think I know what this means. Every realtime RPG pretty much has the same aiming system. If you're pointing at the target, you have a chance to hit. You then apply modifiers to that based on character skills and weapon characteristics.

It's like any FPS, but taking skills into account. Hence the RPG bit.


Well the aiming system was so poor that all I seemed to be doing was running backwards shooting things until I was pretty much at the point I had left from. Then when they were all dead I had to walk all the way back to where I had been. Boring and ultimately incredibly predictable.

Craster wrote:
I don't understand. Surely you just don't press the VATS button? I must have only used VATS for 50% of the game, max.


No I don't *just* press the VATS button. But without it the game would have been pretty bad. I use it mainly up close to save on ammo because without using it you tend to use about ten times the ammo falling enemies.

Author:  JohnCoffey [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 15:59 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
Knowing you you probably set the res to your desired res *and* set the settings for the res too? for example, most of the games I have installed recently not only have resolotion settings (IE- 1680x1050 which is what I use) but also 4:3, 16:9 and 16:10.
No, I game on the 360.


Oh I see. Fair enough :)

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 16:04 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote:
Craster wrote:
I don't understand. Surely you just don't press the VATS button? I must have only used VATS for 50% of the game, max.

No I don't *just* press the VATS button. But without it the game would have been pretty bad. I use it mainly up close to save on ammo because without using it you tend to use about ten times the ammo falling enemies.

Reading fail.

Author:  Cras [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 16:41 ]
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JohnCoffey wrote:
Well the aiming system was so poor that all I seemed to be doing was running backwards shooting things until I was pretty much at the point I had left from. Then when they were all dead I had to walk all the way back to where I had been. Boring and ultimately incredibly predictable.


So that's not the aiming system being poor, it's the game simulating the fact that you're a skill-less noob. Which you are at the start of the game.

It reads like you want RPGs to be FPSs - they're never going to be that. If it's a style of game you don't like, then fine - but that's not a 'poor aiming system', it's a different type of game.

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