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This is also APoD's view.

I don't think public opinion can be shifted that far in the little time we have left. Especially given the public's ability to ignore the thus far entirely accurate warnings of economic disaster.

Called it.

Crash the country; make people demand a rethink.

Unfortunately, I don't trust her to do this competently, nor the Conservative Party to find a replacement who wouldn't accept that the fault lied with the idea rather than just the execution.

Is it Civil War time yet?

Good old Private Eye

“Substances of human origin”

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

“Substances of human origin”

Title of your Brextape.

So in the morning, there are announcements that paying pensions to ex-pats could be a problem after Brexit and in the afternoon there's a plan to stock up on blood and organs? Is there a plan to lure ex-pats back to the UK to chop them up?

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

“Substances of human origin”

Title of your Brexit sextape.

Rees-Mogg’s hedge fund, Somerset Capital Management, is managed via subsidiaries in the tax havens of the Cayman Islands and Singapore. He has defended the use of such tax havens, saying “I do not believe people have any obligation to pay more tax than the law requires.” And the laws that look set to stand in the way are planned new EU regulations aimed at governing the behaviour of companies such as his own.

It makes me genuinely angry that these routine lies aren't being challenged. I've managed to live most of my life without hatred, but I find myself feeling it time and time again as I see these smug, fatuous liars spoon-feeding this dangerous bullshit.

NervousPete wrote:

But I'm finding myself getting annoyed with those that believe it without question too.

Interesting to see the variety of Facebook ads used by Vote Leave and BeLeave.

[Liam Fox] warned the EU that a no deal will be the most likely outcome if it continued to be inflexible.

"The EU then need to tell us how they intend to get the frictionless borders that we want to see. So they can't keep rejecting things without telling us exactly what it is they want," Fox said.

"So negotiations will continue, and we'll want to know from them if they don't want that as a proposal, what do they want, because if they keep saying no to everything they will end up with no deal."

The EU then need to tell us how they intend to get the frictionless borders that we want to see

Author:	Kern [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:26 ]
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Heh. Just realised the irony. Heath took us into Europe but is best remembered for the lights going out; May tries to take us out and becomes remembered for the lights going out.

Author:	Cras [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:26 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
This is also APoD's view. I don't think public opinion can be shifted that far in the little time we have left. Especially given the public's ability to ignore the thus far entirely accurate warnings of economic disaster.

Author:	Kern [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:29 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
We forget how hated the old rates* were, and how any new scheme was expected to be really popular. It was only when the first poll tax bills came through that people started to realise its immense flaws. And thus became the only major policy I can think of that was passed, enacted, and repealed in the same electoral cycle. * Not in the naval sense.

Author:	Cras [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:12 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
The poll tax really brought home the dichotomy of definitions of the word 'fair' Was it more fair for provision of council services to cost more to homes with more occupants? Yes, of course, that's just common sense. But was it more fair for provision of council services to cost more to homes with more occupants? Quite obviously and plainly not, of course.

Author:	Kern [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 13:27 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Nicely put. Perhaps the same applies to 'sovereignty' or 'control'.

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Author:	ApplePieOfDestiny [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 17:44 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Cras wrote: This is also APoD's view. I don't think public opinion can be shifted that far in the little time we have left. Especially given the public's ability to ignore the thus far entirely accurate warnings of economic disaster. “View” is putting it strongly. “Hope” is more accurate.

Author:	Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 18:20 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Kern wrote: Called it. Crash the country; make people demand a rethink. Unfortunately, I don't trust her to do this competently, nor the Conservative Party to find a replacement who wouldn't accept that the fault lied with the idea rather than just the execution. Yep, I'd love to think this is all some part of a cunning plan to make the public realise it's a stupid idea. Unfortunately I think it's more likely that we'll end up leaving with no deal, then go crawling back a few years later and rejoin on worse terms.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:10 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Another excellent post from Chris Grey. He mentions that recent poll where 51% of people said they believe no deal is better than a bad deal. I’ve often wondered what those people think no deal means. When you dig into the shrieking commenters on Twitter, they usually fall back to “but of course medicines will still arrive and planes will still fly and we’ll go to Spain on holiday, like before we joined the EU” ie. they think ‘no deal’ is ‘quite a lot of deal actually.’ It’s so frustrating. https://twitter.com/chrisgreybrexit/sta ... 42305?s=21

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 16:15 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Raab's first full week as Chief Brexit Guy is going well https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/10 ... 4861692928 Raab has just confirmed that there will have to be food stockpiling for a hard Brexit, although he emphasises it would mainly be done by industry rather than government — Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) July 24, 2018

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 16:23 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
I had to be cajoled and escorted out of one of my local restaurants last night when I spotted Dominic Cummings at a nearby table. The urge to render him to a bloody pulp was frighteningly (for HC, who had to ask me to leave before I went and beat him senseless) powerful. I'm not normally prone to violence at all, but he's one of an increasingly large number of cunts involved in fucking over the country for Brexit that I find myself wistfully imagining great harm upon.

Author:	Zardoz [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 16:27 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Is it Civil War time yet?

Author:	Malc [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 16:40 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Raab's not even in charge of Brexit anymore, Theresa May's office is taking over and Raab will deputise if needs be.

Author:	Grim... [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 16:59 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Still "nonsense on stilts" is a great phrase.

Author:	Malc [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 17:04 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Oh I wasn't disputing that at all. It just seems even more silly having a new brexit minister and then immediately telling them they are not trusted to do brexit.

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 16:39 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Sigh https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/10 ... 9048153090 This is fantasyland: "industry" doesn't have capacity to stockpile â€“ most factories need delivery of raw materials every 24 hours to produce, and only have space to store 24 hours of output. The whole industry works on a just-in-time basis. This is nonsense on stilts. https://t.co/Cij4K2X8qi — James Ball (@jamesrbuk) July 24, 2018

Author:	markg [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:24 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
I'm quite sure that our four year old daughter's future children's generation will have so much prosperity that they'll to turn to erecting huge gold Rees-Mogg statues all over the place just to find a way to spend it all. What an utter fucking cunt.

Author:	Kern [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 15:00 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Anthony King & Ivor Crewe's superb work 'The Blunders of our Governments' is a great read, but the best case study of a single political fuck-up is David Butler, Andrew ('Lord') Adonis, and Tony Travers' 'Failure in British Government: the politics of the poll tax' from 1994. Rated 344 for 'organic chemistry' on the rainforest charts too.

Author:	Dr Zoidberg [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 18:38 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
MaliA wrote: Remember 2000? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/924574.stm I remember it very well. I was in the Police at the time, and could use my Warrant Card to be allowed to buy fuel. The amount of friends asking me to take their cars to a garage to fill up was ridiculous. Didn't we have more fuel shortages around 2003 as well? <edit> 2005 apparently.

Author:	Cras [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 17:44 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Good old Private Eye

Author:	Kern [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 17:44 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Zardoz wrote: Is it Civil War time yet? The Union forever!

Author:	Hearthly [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 18:31 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Cras wrote: Good old Private Eye Have you had that one delivered already? I don't have that one yet.

Author:	Cras [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 19:15 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
No, saw it up on Twitter

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 19:38 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
https://twitter.com/commonshealth/statu ... 1323553792 .@MattHancock : "The department is working up options with industry for stockpiling medicines, medical devices and substances of human origin in the case of a no-deal Brexit. Obviously there will be a cost for this." — Health and Social Care Committee (@CommonsHealth) July 24, 2018 “Substances of human origin” are blood and organs, BTW.

Author:	Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 20:08 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: “Substances of human origin” Title of your Brexit sextape.

Author:	Hearthly [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 20:29 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
I wonder if 'stockpiling food' and 'shortage of blood supplies' were top of people's lists when they were ticking the box to leave the EU in the referendum. Fucking Cameron, all of this shit just so he could appease the nutcases in the Tory party.

Author:	Findus Fop [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 20:34 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Dr Zoidberg wrote: Doctor Glyndwr wrote: “Substances of human origin” Title of your Brextape. BREEX

Author:	devilman [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 20:38 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
So in the morning, there are announcements that paying pensions to ex-pats could be a problem after Brexit and in the afternoon there's a plan to stock up on blood and organs? Is there a plan to lure ex-pats back to the UK to chop them up?

Author:	Satsuma [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 20:38 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Good, I ain’t having no forrin blood. Unless it’s xenomorph.

Author:	Kern [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 20:53 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
The single leaflet I got from my MP during the whole election campaign last year (a timely four days before the vote) said that 'the decision has been made and there's no turning back'. Is there a way I can ask her if this is what she wanted without making me sound completely sarcastic?

Author:	Hearthly [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 21:03 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
devilman wrote: So in the morning, there are announcements that paying pensions to ex-pats could be a problem after Brexit and in the afternoon there's a plan to stock up on blood and organs? Is there a plan to lure ex-pats back to the UK to chop them up? It'd be the first example of some coherent thinking since this entire clusterfuck started, so I'm saying probably not.

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 21:40 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
I'm beginning to think it's time to start the BEEX political party. We may be too late to stop the massive civil unrest coming next year — but I've been working out in the last 12 months and I already have an axe, so hey-ho.

Author:	Grim... [ Tue Jul 24, 2018 23:15 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Dr Zoidberg wrote: Doctor Glyndwr wrote: “Substances of human origin” Title of your Brexit sextape. I'd have gone with "Blood and Organs".

Author:	Hearthly [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:13 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Good piece about Rees-Mogg's manoeuvrings. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... g-dividend Quote: Rees-Mogg’s hedge fund, Somerset Capital Management, is managed via subsidiaries in the tax havens of the Cayman Islands and Singapore. He has defended the use of such tax havens, saying “I do not believe people have any obligation to pay more tax than the law requires.” And the laws that look set to stand in the way are planned new EU regulations aimed at governing the behaviour of companies such as his own. Also him saying that the 'Brexit dividend' might take 50 years to materialise.... Moggivend

Author:	MaliA [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 14:33 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Remember 2000? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/924574.stm

Author:	Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 14:46 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Remember Poll Tax? A government manifesto policy which sounded OK enough when described to win a mandate, but then turned out to be so hideously difficult to implment that it was rapidly rolled back after toppling the Prime Minister who proposed it.

Author:	Curiosity [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 19:01 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
Leave.EU now rolling with, “We do more trade with the US than with the EU, and that is via WTO rules.” Apart from we do far more (about double) trade with the EU, and our trade with the US is done according to the EU agreement that Donald Trump hates, and not via WTO. There is no way in hell they don’t know this, and yet they get to be an official mouthpiece and people believe them. Madness.

Author:	NervousPete [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 20:27 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
It makes me genuinely angry that these routine lies aren't being challenged. I've managed to live most of my life without hatred, but I find myself feeling it time and time again as I see these smug, fatuous liars spoon-feeding this dangerous bullshit.

Author:	Goddess Jasmine [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 21:08 ]
Post subject:	Re: Taking the Brexit
NervousPete wrote: It makes me genuinely angry that these routine lies aren't being challenged. I've managed to live most of my life without hatred, but I find myself feeling it time and time again as I see these smug, fatuous liars spoon-feeding this dangerous bullshit. But I'm finding myself getting annoyed with those that believe it without question too.