Ffs spoilers
MaliA wrote:
Ffs spoilers
Everything is already spoiled.
Mr Putin will be ecstatic. The only saving grace is I doubt he will try something before Obama bows out.
So that'll be our man Farage with a job in the White House. I can't wait for the the sickening spectacle of our fucking useless windsock of a PM buddying up to Trump. Dribbling on about special relationships etc. Fuck all this.
It's on isn't it? We'll be his first main international ally in return for a quick trade deal that Obama said would take years. I don't know, I just can't run any likely scenario in my head that isn't all just too awful to contemplate.
I've just been reading up on his running mate. I can't decide if Mr Pence is even scarier than Mr Trump. He's coming across as not exactly someone I have much common ground with.
Mr Dave wrote:
Yeah, America appear to have screwed themselves.
They deserve everything they get.
They deserve everything they get.
Unfortunately it affects us all.
And we lost any moral superiority when we voted in a Tory majority and then Brexit, I'm afraid.
Mr Russell wrote:
I said that yesterday, Kern.
Take away all the feelings and horror at the individual candidates, and look at the election objectively: a billionaire with no political experience just bought his way to the Presidency.
Take away all the feelings and horror at the individual candidates, and look at the election objectively: a billionaire with no political experience just bought his way to the Presidency.
It's the quintessential capitalist American dream...
"How Trump Won
In treating article in Washington Post Cam W just put up on twitter.
Especially this bit:
It suggests that the feeling of resentment and abandonment of white working class towards the previous administrations was a big push.
Also: i am not sure about wanting to deport illegal immigrants. Not sure what to do with them.
In treating article in Washington Post Cam W just put up on twitter.
Especially this bit:
Quote:
In polling, these voters have expressed deep racial and cultural anxieties. In exit polls they were more likely than the country as a whole to say that illegal immigrants should be deported. But those polls also suggested economic concerns and hostility toward leaders in Washington were much more important factors driving them to Trump.
Half of these voters said the economy was the most important issue in their vote, compared to 14 percent for immigration. A majority said international trade takes away American jobs. Three-quarters said the economy is “not good” or “poor” and nearly 8 in 10 said their personal financial situation was the same or worse than it was four years ago. Two-thirds said they preferred Trump to handle the economy instead of Democrat Hillary Clinton, compared with less than half of the electorate overall.
Half of these voters said the economy was the most important issue in their vote, compared to 14 percent for immigration. A majority said international trade takes away American jobs. Three-quarters said the economy is “not good” or “poor” and nearly 8 in 10 said their personal financial situation was the same or worse than it was four years ago. Two-thirds said they preferred Trump to handle the economy instead of Democrat Hillary Clinton, compared with less than half of the electorate overall.
It suggests that the feeling of resentment and abandonment of white working class towards the previous administrations was a big push.
Also: i am not sure about wanting to deport illegal immigrants. Not sure what to do with them.
I think they should let the cunt build his wall but make it so big and complicated that he can't get around to starting WWIII.
MaliA wrote:
It suggests that the feeling of resentment and abandonment of white working class towards the previous administrations was a big push.
NYT exit polling:
Has he started that wall yet?
TheVision wrote:
Has he started that wall yet?
Having just watched bits of his speech (which was thankfully subdued at least), there's going to be lots of building going on -
Quote:
We are going to fix our inner cities and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, hospitals. We're going to rebuild our infrastructure, which will become, by the way, second to none, and we will put millions of our people to work as we rebuild it.
Quite how that's all going to get paid for is beyond me.
devilman wrote:
Quite how that's all going to get paid for is beyond me.
Tax cuts for the rich.
And scrapping health care.
markg wrote:
So that'll be our man Farage with a job in the White House. I can't wait for the the sickening spectacle of our fucking useless windsock of a PM buddying up to Trump. Dribbling on about special relationships etc. Fuck all this.
Trump is very like Farage in that shit never sticks to him for very long for some reason.
This morning I was thinking this was the best of a bad job. Both candidates are dreadful in their own way, I was mistaken in thinking that Congress would block Trumps more insane ideas. I didn't realise until later that the Republicans control both Senate and Congress as I don't follow US politics that much.
So I guess now they have a nutter who can get his ideas pushed through, again don't know if he can expect his party to do his bidding in Congress as many of them are horrified he is president.
Really insane how a job like this ended up with 2 poor candidates to chose from.
It appears to be a surprise as well, you could 9\1 on Trump winning yesterday.
I'm so despondent about things I'm actually listening to a stream of James O'Brien on LBC at the moment just to feel better.
I'll give odds that Trump removes the wig and reveals that he is, in fact, LEX LUTHOR!
Kern wrote:
I'm so despondent about things I'm actually listening to a stream of James O'Brien on LBC at the moment just to feel better.
I honestly think people like him (and us) are a huge part of the reason strange election results are coming in.
The "smarter people will vote for our candidate / policy" not only steels the resolve of the people who have the opposing beliefs, in some (several) cases it makes them ashamed of their position, so they lie in polls, making the actual results unexpected.
Lots of people do it, but that holier than thou cunt is one of the worst.
Here's what I don't get. How come the exit polls always seem to be nailed on if it's that people are ashamed?
The BBC has a list of stuff they think Trump will do during his first 100 days
One of this is "Repealing every Obama executive order" is this when Obama released 3 strike minor drug dealers from prison or is it bigger stuff?
One of this is "Repealing every Obama executive order" is this when Obama released 3 strike minor drug dealers from prison or is it bigger stuff?
markg wrote:
Here's what I don't get. How come the exit polls always seem to be nailed on if it's that people are ashamed?
Because it's done then, and can't be talked around. And there's more chance of support from others there who did the same. I think.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
It suggests that the feeling of resentment and abandonment of white working class towards the previous administrations was a big push.
NYT exit polling:
Yeah. That's pretty interesting .
A few thoughts.
I'm hoping that a lot of the Trump act was an act, and the man is more reasonable than the image... I hope.
The "liberal elite" for want of a better term, and I include ourselves in that description, need to take a long hard look at the self-affirming bubbles we surround ourselves with. Out of touch has never been more apt.
Selfishly, this might help the UK economy a little bit, the US is no longer the safe haven to run towards, it makes us look slightly less insane.
He is the President Elect, not the President. Who knows what the fuck is going to happen next! Legal challenges, war, global depression, assassinations, resignations, etc... Before the last few years I would have never have considered that a President Elect wouldn't actually take office, but it seems all bets are off for anything!
I'm hoping that a lot of the Trump act was an act, and the man is more reasonable than the image... I hope.
The "liberal elite" for want of a better term, and I include ourselves in that description, need to take a long hard look at the self-affirming bubbles we surround ourselves with. Out of touch has never been more apt.
Selfishly, this might help the UK economy a little bit, the US is no longer the safe haven to run towards, it makes us look slightly less insane.
He is the President Elect, not the President. Who knows what the fuck is going to happen next! Legal challenges, war, global depression, assassinations, resignations, etc... Before the last few years I would have never have considered that a President Elect wouldn't actually take office, but it seems all bets are off for anything!
Grim... wrote:
Kern wrote:
I'm so despondent about things I'm actually listening to a stream of James O'Brien on LBC at the moment just to feel better.
I honestly think people like him (and us) are a huge part of the reason strange election results are coming in.
The "smarter people will vote for our candidate / policy" not only steels the resolve of the people who have the opposing beliefs, in some (several) cases it makes them ashamed of their position, so they lie in polls, making the actual results unexpected.
Lots of people do it, but that holier than thou cunt is one of the worst.
Yes, I'm generally not a fan of talk radio for that reason. The few times I've heard right-wing hosts in the US I've had to switch the radio off after half an hour for fear of causing an accident. It all adds to the echo chamber, which Twitter etc serve to reinforce.
But, right now, it's quite comforting
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
It suggests that the feeling of resentment and abandonment of white working class towards the previous administrations was a big push.
NYT exit polling:
Jesus. Fuck you, non-whites!
Grim... wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
It suggests that the feeling of resentment and abandonment of white working class towards the previous administrations was a big push.
NYT exit polling:
Jesus. Fuck you, non-whites!
Malc wrote:
blue is democrat (unless I am missing something?)
Yes, it's very confusing. Silly colonials. Although the Democrats are probably closer to the Cameron wings of the Conservatives than what people in Europe would recognise as a social democratic or socialist party.
Kern wrote:
Malc wrote:
blue is democrat (unless I am missing something?)
Yes, it's very confusing. Silly colonials.
All because of a single report, IIRC. They did a swingometer and chose the colours.
Malc wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
It suggests that the feeling of resentment and abandonment of white working class towards the previous administrations was a big push.
NYT exit polling:
Jesus. Fuck you, non-whites!
I think he's pointing out how ignored they've been ?
It would be interesting to know the turnout.
Megyn Kelly is really hot.
Some interesting titbits:
The votes for Gary Johnson in WI, PA and FL would have been enough for Clinton to win.
Clinton lost by fewer than 200k in the popular vote. Obama won by 10m in 2008.
The votes for Gary Johnson in WI, PA and FL would have been enough for Clinton to win.
Clinton lost by fewer than 200k in the popular vote. Obama won by 10m in 2008.
MaliA wrote:
Megyn Kelly is really hot.
No one cares about your penis
Trooper wrote:
A few thoughts.
I'm hoping that a lot of the Trump act was an act, and the man is more reasonable than the image... I hope.
The "liberal elite" for want of a better term, and I include ourselves in that description, need to take a long hard look at the self-affirming bubbles we surround ourselves with. Out of touch has never been more apt.
Selfishly, this might help the UK economy a little bit, the US is no longer the safe haven to run towards, it makes us look slightly less insane.
He is the President Elect, not the President. Who knows what the fuck is going to happen next! Legal challenges, war, global depression, assassinations, resignations, etc... Before the last few years I would have never have considered that a President Elect wouldn't actually take office, but it seems all bets are off for anything!
I'm hoping that a lot of the Trump act was an act, and the man is more reasonable than the image... I hope.
The "liberal elite" for want of a better term, and I include ourselves in that description, need to take a long hard look at the self-affirming bubbles we surround ourselves with. Out of touch has never been more apt.
Selfishly, this might help the UK economy a little bit, the US is no longer the safe haven to run towards, it makes us look slightly less insane.
He is the President Elect, not the President. Who knows what the fuck is going to happen next! Legal challenges, war, global depression, assassinations, resignations, etc... Before the last few years I would have never have considered that a President Elect wouldn't actually take office, but it seems all bets are off for anything!
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... are_btn_tw
Picks up on a few of those points and mentions the white blue collar workers again.
Quote:
[The early Trump voters I met were the losers from these changes. Their once superior status – based only on being white – was being dismantled, while their lack of education was also being punished. They lived in towns and communities devastated by economic upheaval. They were born in them and stayed in them, despite their fall. For many, who had focused on their community over career, it felt like their entire world was collapsing.
Mr Dave wrote:
Malc wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
It suggests that the feeling of resentment and abandonment of white working class towards the previous administrations was a big push.
NYT exit polling:
Jesus. Fuck you, non-whites!
I think he's pointing out how ignored they've been ?
It would be interesting to know the turnout.
Something resonated, for sure.
MaliA wrote:
Something resonated, for sure.
Not the Liberty Bell. Been cracked for years.
Lonewolves wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Megyn Kelly is really hot.
No one cares about your penis
Sink.jpg
Lonewolves wrote:
The votes for Gary Johnson in WI, PA and FL would have been enough for Clinton to win.
Although for every third party candidate vote, you've got another 50 people who didn't vote at all. I can't decide if this is a sideshow.
Also: I'm not convinced Johnson voters would favour Clinton over Trump.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
The votes for Gary Johnson in WI, PA and FL would have been enough for Clinton to win.
Although for every third party candidate vote, you've got another 50 people who didn't vote at all. I can't decide if this is a sideshow.
Also: I'm not convinced Johnson voters would favour Clinton over Trump.
Also: some Bernie Bros were very vocal about voting Trump after Sanders lost in the primaries, so
Which, if your hot button issue is a dislike for neoliberal globalisation, makes some sense.
I think there is a big question that might have been answered yesterday which was "to protect your own self interests, how much are you willing to turn a blind eye to?".
I would rephrase as "in return for substanceless and unrealistic promises from someone with a track record for breaking promises will protect your interests, how much are you willing to turn a blind eye to?"
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I would rephrase as "in return for substanceless and unrealistic promises from someone with a track record for breaking promises will protect your interests, how much are you willing to turn a blind eye to?"
Yeah, can do.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I would rephrase as "in return for substanceless and unrealistic promises from someone with a track record for breaking promises will protect your interests, how much are you willing to turn a blind eye to?"
So you're saying you do not think he will act in white people (especially men)'s best interests?
Lonewolves wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I would rephrase as "in return for substanceless and unrealistic promises from someone with a track record for breaking promises will protect your interests, how much are you willing to turn a blind eye to?"
So you're saying you do not think he will act in white people (especially men)'s best interests?
He will not. He will act in his interests. It appears the thought of doing anything for someone who isn't him is entirely foreign to him.
Lonewolves wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I would rephrase as "in return for substanceless and unrealistic promises from someone with a track record for breaking promises will protect your interests, how much are you willing to turn a blind eye to?"
So you're saying you do not think he will act in white people (especially men)'s best interests?
I don't actually know, I don't think anyone has a handle on what his first hundred days will look like. I'm pretty confident most of what he's said he'll do is bullshit. It's either vague stuff about making jobs (but how?) or wildly impractical stuff about building massive walls (but why?) Is he actually going to lead an effort to, say, overturn Roe vs Wade? Or will he actually turn out to be a lightweight who doesn't really change or do anything? I have no idea.
In some ways, this morning I'm more deeply concerned about the fact that he could get elected than the fact that he was, if you see what I mean.
No point in complaining anymore, S11e17 of the Simpsons "Bart to the Future" predicted a President Trump 16 years ago
markg wrote:
So that'll be our man Farage with a job in the White House. I can't wait for the the sickening spectacle of our fucking useless windsock of a PM buddying up to Trump. Dribbling on about special relationships etc. Fuck all this.
Well that was quicker than I thought.
She sent that this morning - the BBC read it out. I think that's fair enough - it would be a nightmare if she shit the bed and told him he was a lunatic.
I thought the German response was better.
Grim... wrote:
She sent that this morning - the BBC read it out. I think that's fair enough - it would be a nightmare if she shit the bed and told him he was a lunatic.
Secretly, we all want that scene in 'Love, Actually' to happen some day.
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